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Laws you would like enacted, repealed or changed

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mgb_phys
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Jan2-10, 02:52 PM
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Yes but there are miles of undefended border.
Tree huggers from Oregon could sneak into Northern California and wipeout the local tree-hugging population by taking anti-logging protesting sites from native Northern Californians.
MotoH
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Ok, obviously we come from very different ideological viewpoints. I am curious, what do you feel would be the advantage of this hyper-militarization of the US?
To put it in simplest terms, Wouldn't you rather have the neccesary weapons to protect the United States in the event of an act of aggression? I for one would rather have something and not need it, than need something and not have it. Kind of like carrying a pistol. You never hope to use it on someone, but it is there if the deed is called upon.

And the mandatory military service I believe is a great idea because its really the least you can do for the country you live in. If I were in power I would take the same concept Israel has, although they are a mandatory 3 years I believe.
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Yes but there are miles of undefended border.
Tree huggers from Oregon could sneak into Northern California and wipeout the local tree-hugging population by taking anti-logging protesting sites from native Northern Californians.
You are right clearly California needs to beef up its borders to stop illegal immigration from the north or whatever direction it may come from. ;)
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To put it in simplest terms, Wouldn't you rather have the neccesary weapons to protect the United States in the event of an act of aggression? I for one would rather have something and not need it, than need something and not have it. Kind of like carrying a pistol. You never hope to use it on someone, but it is there if the deed is called upon.

And the mandatory military service I believe is a great idea because its really the least you can do for the country you live in. If I were in power I would take the same concept Israel has, although they are a mandatory 3 years I believe.
Two points.

Forced service is slavery which is prohibited under the Constitution.

The federal government borrows more than 50% of every dollar it spends. So how do you propose increasing spending? Will the Chinese work harder in order to buy more US debt paper?
Char. Limit
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Jan2-10, 03:12 PM
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How would you enforce the 10th amendment?
Not with nukes, I'll tell you that much right now.
edpell
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Yes but there are miles of undefended border.
Tree huggers from Oregon could sneak into Northern California and wipeout the local tree-hugging population by taking anti-logging protesting sites from native Northern Californians.
I think it would be more a question of the cash rich marijuana growing fields of northern California.
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Jan2-10, 03:13 PM
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And protect the US from Canadian frisbees

Beltran said he instructs his agents to use discretion and "common sense." It goes like this: "If a kid [on the Canada side] throws a Frisbee over here, he can come and get it. But if he got the Frisbee and kept walking down to the Arby's to get a soda, we're going to stop you."
http://proinmigrant.blogspot.com/200...da-and-us.html
edpell
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And protect the US from Canadian frisbees

http://proinmigrant.blogspot.com/200...da-and-us.html
Clearly you misunderstand. It is not the frisbee threat they are dealing with it is the scarcity of soda that is at issue.
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Jan2-10, 03:34 PM
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Not with nukes, I'll tell you that much right now.
The only sovereign entities are those that have nuclear weapons and delivery systems. All others entities are clients to a patron that does have nukes. So if the fifty states wish to be sovereign they must have nukes.
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Jan2-10, 03:59 PM
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Quote Quote by edpell View Post
The only sovereign entities are those that have nuclear weapons and delivery systems. All others entities are clients to a patron that does have nukes. So if the fifty states wish to be sovereign they must have nukes.

The tenth amendment states that the powers given to the states are all those that are neither given to the federal government nor explicitly prohibited the states by the constitution. The military (and nukes) are a power given to the federal government under the Constitution (you don't see people fighting on the NYS Enterprise or joining the Marine Corps of Idaho, do you?) What you are suggesting is unconstitutional.

Also, everyone who says "make this or that considered treason" is also suggesting something unconstitutional. Treason is the one crime defined in the Constitution, defined as "only in levying war against [the United States], or in adhering to their enemies, giving them aid and comfort."
MotoH
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Jan2-10, 04:25 PM
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Two points.

Forced service is slavery which is prohibited under the Constitution.

The federal government borrows more than 50% of every dollar it spends. So how do you propose increasing spending? Will the Chinese work harder in order to buy more US debt paper?
Forced service slavery? Maybe for those who want to "steal" from the US. If you honestly can't give four years of your life (which isn't active duty mind you) to the United States, how do you deserve to live here?

Quit buying oil from OPEC to start with, drill drill drill in northern Alaska. We are too far in debt to get out of it instantly (7 trillion didn't help either.) but it will take time, and if we start using our own resources and stop buying from others we will eventually start making up that debt.
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Jan2-10, 05:20 PM
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Not active duty? Please. The generals in Washington will say "look at all these able-bodied troops we're wasting! Let's send them off to war to die!"

There's a reason I oppose the draft, and why I'm not joining up.
Also, why should I have to die for my country in order to live there?
Argentum Vulpes
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Jan2-10, 05:45 PM
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Most European countries have a mandatory service system. Either a stint in the military or the same time in a community service organization similar to the Volunteers in Service to America (VISTA) program. Hey if European socialism programs is good enough to have here in the USA lets have their requirements to serve the community as well.
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Jan2-10, 06:07 PM
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For the last time...

I'm... not... a... socialist.

I'm also 17, so I'd be the one affected by the law, unlike most of the people on this board.

Plus, Europeans aren't fighting two wars and being short on troops and all.

Also, it's been shown that morale is higher in an all-volunteer army.
Jimmy Snyder
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Jan2-10, 06:50 PM
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I would like to see the laws against murder and theft repealed as they are an unfunded mandate to small business.
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Jan2-10, 06:51 PM
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[QUOTE=Char. Limit;2514592I'm also 17[/QUOTE]

Ah, I remember being 17 and knowing everything.

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Please. The generals in Washington will say "look at all these able-bodied troops we're wasting! Let's send them off to war to die!"
I think you might want to review how wars are declared under the US Constitution. You'll discover that "generals in Washington" aren't able to declare war on their own. Also, the idea that they want the men and women under their command to die is rather offensive - do you have any evidence for this claim of yours? Or were you just makin' stuff up?
ThomasEdison
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Jan2-10, 06:58 PM
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All vehicles with an empty GVW over 4000 Lbs [would include most SUVs] are treated as tractor-trailers - required to drive in the right-most lanes, never to exceed 55 mph, and subject to stiffer penalties for moving violations.
I like this.
dotman
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Jan2-10, 07:17 PM
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Quote Quote by Char. Limit View Post
Please. The generals in Washington will say "look at all these able-bodied troops we're wasting! Let's send them off to war to die!"
Quote Quote by Vanadium 50 View Post
I think you might want to review how wars are declared under the US Constitution. You'll discover that "generals in Washington" aren't able to declare war on their own. Also, the idea that they want the men and women under their command to die is rather offensive - do you have any evidence for this claim of yours? Or were you just makin' stuff up?
While he certainly phrased it poorly, the intent of his post is not without merit. The US armed services is stretched right now, with guard units routinely being activated for multiple tours, and regular service men and women having their tours lengthened, etc.

There is absolutely no question that if there were mandatory service requirements, many of those young people would be sent to foreign theaters. A sizeable portion would see combat.

In today's day and age, this also would beg the question-- would women also be required to serve? How would that go over, do you think?

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Ah, I remember being 17 and knowing everything.
Come on now, you don't have to patronize him.


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