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| Apr4-09, 09:18 PM | #1 |
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Why no current in reverse-biased diode?
I try to understand why, really, there is no current (except for leakage) when a diode is reverse-biased. I studied several texts, and noone really explains, like for instance this otherwise very pedagogic Wikipedia article.
How I think: The negative terminal connected to the p-region ought to attract the holes there (in other words, when holes are flowing one way, electrons flow the other way, from the negative terminal to the junction). On the other side of the diode, the positive terminal connected to the n-region attracts electrons, so electrons are flowing from the junction to the positive terminal. All in all, this would mean a current is flowing from one end of the diode to the other. This seems for me to be perfectly symmetrical to what happens when the diode is forward-biased - in the above paragraph, negative terminal becomes positive terminal and vice versa, and attraction becomes repulsion. I must be missing some of the physics... Please help someone!
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| Apr4-09, 09:46 PM | #2 |
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All diodes will break down at some voltage, often destructively. Zener diodes break down at the zener voltage when reverse biased.
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| Apr4-09, 11:05 PM | #3 |
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You are correct with your thoughts on the movement of the carriers. When the carriers are pulled away from the pn junction, the width of the depletion region across the junction (where there are no free carriers) is increased. The wider depletion region presents a much greater obstacle to the movement of carriers across it, and very little current flows.
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| Apr5-09, 11:57 AM | #4 |
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Why no current in reverse-biased diode?
Thanks so far!
(I'm using this pic from WP to more easily imagine what happens.)
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| Apr5-09, 12:37 PM | #5 |
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The E field vector points the wrong way when a p-n junction is reverse biased. If the cathode is positive wrt the anode, then the E field vector points towards the anode, and away from the cathode.
So, in the anode, electrons are subjected to a force opposite the E field, since the E field by definition points in the direction positive charges flow. Hence the electrons feel a force in a direction towards the cathode. But to reach the cathode, they must travel through the p channel anode. In the p anode, the electrons are *minority* carriers, with low mobility. Very little electron motion occurs since p material has an excess of holes, and electrons immediately tend to recombine with said holes. Hence the electron current from anode to cathode is very low, i.e. the leakage value. In the n channel cathode, the situation is the same but with polarities reversed. The holes would be directed towards the anode. But the holes travelling through the n cathode are minority carriers, resulting in low mobility, and limited to the leakage value. Does this explain it? Claude |
| Apr5-09, 01:30 PM | #6 |
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Maybe it all comes down to that the Coulomb force attracting charges, is less than the "force" holding down the electrons in stable full valence shells (even though the atoms then become non-neutral)? |
| Apr5-09, 01:54 PM | #7 |
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The recombining action does not charge the atoms negatively. An atom with a hole is positive. When an electron recombines with said atom, charge neutrality is attained. A good peer-reviewed university level text on semiconductor physics will dive into the details. The explanantion I gave is just a sketchy overview. It's correct, but not knowing how deep your knowledge in semi physics is, that is what I can tell you in a couple of paragraphs. BR. Claude |
| Apr5-09, 02:45 PM | #8 |
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Caution: Saying that a material is a p-type semiconductor does *not* mean that the material has a positive charge; ordinarly, it would be neutral. Rather, it means that its majority carriers of current are positive holes (and therefore its minority carriers are negative electrons). An atom with a hole, is e.g. a boron atom surrounded by Si-atoms, making the boron atom be surrounded by 7 valence electrons (4 from Si, 3 from boron itself). This is perfectly neutral as I understood it - but it's not a full valence shell, and that's a different matter. Or have I misunderstood something here? (Btw, this is the textbook I have, but it doesn't explain the things I wonder in this thread so deep.) |
| Apr5-09, 08:58 PM | #9 |
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You are obviously not interested in anything I have to say, so why do you bother to ask? Good day sir. Claude |
| Apr6-09, 06:31 AM | #10 |
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I'm very, very sorry to have insulted you, that was absolutely not my meaning. I appreciate very much the help I get from you and all others here.
My mother tounge is not english, so maybe I have unintentionally written things that signals tones I didn't mean. I'm very sorry for that.Now to the point. You said earlier: 2) If the atoms with holes are positive, how come the whole p-area being not positive? I thought that must be the same thing. Why is it not the same thing? 3) I though that when an electron "settles itself" in such a hole, then you actually have a negatively charged atom (or maybe you can call it an ion). I understand it as being like a chloride atom - a chloride atom would like to have an extra electron to fill its valence shell with 8 electrons, and therefore it gets negatively charged, Cl-. Isn't it the same thing here? Sorry again for being a little bit confused here...
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| Apr6-09, 05:37 PM | #11 |
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I think this thread lost focus a little bit...
Back to where we started - I think the following things is what puzzles me the most:1) There seems to be a force from atoms with non-full valence shells, attracting electrons flying by. Even though we have an electric field from Coulomb forces (i.e. from a battery), this force seems to be greater. That's for instance the case in the depletion area, the electrons like to stick to their holes. Is that correct? And, what kind of force is this willingness to have a full valence shell? Is it some kind of Coulomb force? 2) I have still problems understanding major/minor carriers and why they have different mobility. In a p material, doped with boron, the major carrier are holes. If a hole there moves from one atom to another, an electron must move from that other atom to the first. Am I right? So why would the movement of the hole be more easily done? Isn't the phenomenon of a hole moving, the same thing as saying an electron moved the other way? I hope someone will help...
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| Apr27-09, 07:06 PM | #12 |
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Hi Mårten, I'll respond with what I think is going on, but I invite others to critique what I say. Understanding of diode and semiconductor physics has never come easy to me.
So, the situation is essentially no mobile charges in the semiconductor, which means a relatively high resistance and insignificant current flow. |
| Apr29-09, 05:52 AM | #13 |
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Thanks for the reply! This thing with valence-band electrons cleared up a little bit in my confusingness... But still:
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| Apr29-09, 06:07 AM | #14 |
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Use of the word force here is something of a misnomer. But there is diffusion, or a tendency towards a state of higher entropy. It's the same process that makes a gas fill the entire volume available to it.
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| May1-09, 10:05 AM | #15 |
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if you need anymore information on this topic pm me and i have some lecture slides that are perfect for this.
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| May1-09, 07:37 PM | #16 |
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The corner cases are:
Some stupid trivia: tin is the only metal that conducts electricity by hole currents rather than electron currents. Strictly speaking it's a semiconductor or semimetal. The differences between insulator, semiconductor and metal are simply different points on a continuum. |
| May7-09, 10:22 AM | #17 |
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Sorry for this late reply, took some days vacation...
![]() ![]() Back to where this thread started. Why no current in reverse-biased diode. I've understood it has something to do with different mobility for majority/minority carriers. Okey, electrons are minority carriers with low mobility in the p region, because they would recombine with the holes there, so if the diode is revese-biased, no current will flow. But now think of the forward-biased diode (see pic below). The electrons get a push from the battery, making them leave the n region and going over to the p region. While in the p region, they are now minority carriers, so they will recombine with the holes there. So why do we have a current in this forward-biased diode? Okey, someone would say: because in the p region the holes are majority carriers, so the holes will easily flow towards the n region. But, if the holes flow towards the n region, that is the same as saying that the electrons are flowing in the opposite direction. But, we just said that electrons as minority carriers hardly didn't move in that direction! How does it make sense? ![]() ![]() P.s. Thanks jsgruszynski for the list of different types of transport, that was good to have. |
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