What physicists think about physics: What is real?

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The discussion revolves around the concept of "reality" in physics, as explored through a survey of physicists and a related poll. Participants share their interpretations of what constitutes "real" in the context of physics, touching on theoretical and philosophical implications.

Discussion Character

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  • Conceptual clarification

Main Points Raised

  • One participant links to a survey among physicists about the definition of "real" in physics and suggests a comparative poll for non-scientists.
  • Another participant asserts that all proposed concepts are real, indicating a broad acceptance of various interpretations.
  • A different viewpoint emphasizes the variability in definitions of reality, suggesting that reality may not be limited to sensory detection and can include abstract concepts that yield practical results.
  • One participant expresses a limited view of reality, identifying only Earth and Time as real, while considering other concepts as subjective or merely descriptive.
  • Another participant critiques the survey for omitting fundamental categories such as information and entropy, implying potential bias in the survey's design.
  • A participant questions the reality of time, describing it as an ideal that exists only as an illusion of motion, and highlights the subjective nature of attesting to reality through personal testimony.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants exhibit a range of perspectives on what constitutes reality, with no consensus reached. Some agree on the validity of multiple interpretations, while others challenge the completeness of the survey and the nature of time.

Contextual Notes

Limitations include the subjective nature of personal testimonies regarding reality and the potential biases in the survey's design, as noted by participants.

Please check the things that are real.

  • The earth

    Votes: 8 80.0%
  • Colors

    Votes: 5 50.0%
  • Wavelength

    Votes: 7 70.0%
  • Hallucinations

    Votes: 6 60.0%
  • Atoms

    Votes: 7 70.0%
  • Excited states of atoms

    Votes: 6 60.0%
  • Mass

    Votes: 7 70.0%
  • Wave-function - state of a system

    Votes: 5 50.0%
  • Electrons

    Votes: 7 70.0%
  • Direction of time

    Votes: 7 70.0%

  • Total voters
    10
  • Poll closed .
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A survey taken among physicists about the concept of "real" in physics is linked and I think most interesting. First, I am posting a similar poll for comparison.

The survey is at the bottom of the linked page:
http://physicsweb.org/article/world/15/4/2/1#2

I posted this in the Theoretical Physics section also. Please vote in the forum most appropriate to your perspective; but not both.


At Whimms suggestion, all non-science persons please vote here. This will add another dimension to the poll.
Thanks Wimms
 
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All of them are real...and many other...
 
Fascinating article, I was suprised at the differences in defenition of what is real.
Reality is what exists by defenition and perhaps isn't only detected by the senses, that the degree of truthfulness of an abstract concept such as the model of the atom(very imperfect at first)can lead to experiments that can readily be seen with the eyes and lead to practical uses, that all forms of reasoning are other senses not unlike the eye but not as clear. Our understanding of the universe isn't perfect but we get results anyway in relation to that understanding just as we get results from our understanding of a concept such as hallucinations, in other words we know that hallucinating is a sign that something is wrong and we need water or sleep or mushrooms(store bought instead), the particular hallucination itself is most likely not real or a less true representation of reality but it is a choice that we make to see the truthfulness of the concept or its practical use or choose to see it as meaning the actual hallucinations themselves and unreal and useless. Real things get good results, imaginary things usually get poor results.
 
Weird, I could note only Earth and Time as real. Earth because it is real at its level of abstraction, time because it touches everything. All the rest seems either subjective or merely description of the day.
 
Notably, this survey left out the rudamentary catagories of information, entropy, change, etc. Makes you wonder if the author was biased...
 
The only thing that I didn't "check" off as real was the direction of time, as time is an 'ideal' exsistent only as the illusion of motion/movement.

It is, none the less, sort of humorous to me that the only thing that anyone can ever do, to "Attest to a Reality", is to make a subjective testimony to it, nothing more, nothing less.

A pressure wave in the atmosphere, that's the proof!
 

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