Solving a Frictionless Incline Problem: Calculating Normal Force

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The problem involves calculating the normal force exerted on a 12 kg block being pushed up a frictionless incline at a 60-degree angle with a horizontal force of 77 N. The normal force (Fn) was initially calculated as 58.86 N using the weight's vertical component, but this approach overlooked the horizontal push's vertical component. It was clarified that the normal force must account for all forces acting perpendicular to the incline, including the vertical component of the applied force. The discussion emphasizes the need to correctly define the coordinate system, with the positive Y direction being perpendicular to the incline surface. The conclusion is that both the weight and the vertical component of the push must be considered to accurately determine the normal force.
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The problem states:

A horizontal force of 77 N pushes a 12 kg block up a frictionless incline that makes an angle of 60 degrees with the horizontal.

What is the normal force that the incline exerts on the block?

After drawing the FBD I can see there are only 2 forces acting in the Y direction which are Fn and W.

so Fn = mg cos theta = 12 kg ( 9.81 m/s^2) * cos (60 deg) = 58.86 N.

This is a homework problem and when attempting to submit the problem on webassign it keeps telling me it is incorrect. I am not sure where I am going wrong or if there is an error with the problem.

Thanks.
 
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The 58.86 N looks good for the normal component of the weight.
Now find and add the normal component of the push.
 
ur5pointos2sl said:
After drawing the FBD I can see there are only 2 forces acting in the Y direction which are Fn and W.
How are you defining the Y direction? Perpendicular to the surface?

There are three forces acting on the block. What are their directions?
so Fn = mg cos theta = 12 kg ( 9.81 m/s^2) * cos (60 deg) = 58.86 N.
To find Fn you must consider all forces that have a component perpendicular to the surface: All three forces must be considered.
 
Doc Al said:
How are you defining the Y direction? Perpendicular to the surface?

There are three forces acting on the block. What are their directions?

To find Fn you must consider all forces that have a component perpendicular to the surface: All three forces must be considered.

Yes the positive Y direction is perpendicular to the surface of the incline. The positive X direction is parallel to the force pushing or pulling the block.

The three forces acting on the block are the Normal force Fn(positive y, No x component), The pull or push force F(positive x, No y component), and also the Weight of the block W(has 2 components, one in the x, one in the y).

Therefore, I would think the only force contributing would be the Weights cos 60 component.

Delphi51 said:
The 58.86 N looks good for the normal component of the weight.
Now find and add the normal component of the push.

When you say the normal component of the push. If I am taking the x direction to be parallel to the push then it would have no normal force. Am I misinterpreting the problem?
 
ur5pointos2sl said:
When you say the normal component of the push. If I am taking the x direction to be parallel to the push then it would have no normal force. Am I misinterpreting the problem?
The push force is horizontal, not parallel to the surface. So it will have an x and a y component.
 
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