Can sinx/x be integrated using integration by parts?

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The discussion revolves around the integration of the function sin(x)/x, specifically exploring whether it can be integrated using integration by parts. Participants examine various methods and approaches, including the quotient rule and power series expansions, while addressing the challenges and mistakes encountered in the process.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant suggests a method using integration by parts based on the quotient rule but encounters discrepancies with definite integrals.
  • Another participant proposes checking the result against a power series expansion of sin(x)/x to verify the integration outcome.
  • A different participant recommends taking the derivative of the obtained answer to see if it matches sin(x)/x as a verification step.
  • One participant points out a mistake in the original method regarding the choice of g(x) and its derivative, suggesting that this error invalidates the method.
  • Another participant introduces an alternative approach using ordinary integration by parts, presenting a recursive relationship for the integrals involved.
  • Participants express appreciation for the alternative method and its implications, noting the lack of a closed form for the integrals derived.

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There is no consensus on the validity of the original integration by parts method due to identified mistakes. Multiple approaches and perspectives are presented, indicating ongoing debate and exploration of the topic.

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Participants highlight limitations in the original method, including missing derivatives and incorrect assumptions about the functions involved. The discussion reflects the complexity of integrating sin(x)/x and the challenges in finding a definitive solution.

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Wherever I look on the internet it says that sinx/x cannot be integrated by elementary techniques, but it seems that there is a method using integration by parts of the quotient rule. However, when I compute definite integrals with this, the answer that my calculator returns is different than the answer I get with the definite integral. Can anyone tell me where my problem is or if my method does actually work.

\frac{d}{dx}\frac{f(x)}{g(x)} = \frac{f'(x)g(x)-g'(x)f(x)}{g^2(x)}
\frac{f(x)}{g(x)}=\int \frac{f'(x)g(x)}{g^2(x)}\,dx-\int \frac{g'(x)f(x)}{g^2(x)}\,dx
\int \frac{g'(x)f(x)}{g^2(x)}\,dx=\int \frac{f'(x)}{g(x)}\,dx-\frac{f(x)}{g(x)}\,dx
\int \frac{sin(x)}{x}\,dx=\int \frac{xsin(x)}{x^2}\,dx=\frac{1}{2}\int \frac{2xsin(x)}{x^2}\,dx
g(x)=x^2
f(x)=sin(x)
g'(x)=2x
f'(x)=cos(x)
\int \frac{g'(x)f(x)}{g^2(x)}\,dx=\int \frac{f'(x)}{g(x)}\,dx-\frac{f(x)}{g(x)}\,dx
\frac{1}{2}\int \frac{2xsin(x)}{x^2}\,dx=\frac{1}{2}\int \frac{cos(x)}{x}\,dx-\frac{sin(x)}{x}\,dx
\int \frac{cos(x)}{x}\,dx=\frac{1}{2}\int \frac{2xcos(x)}{x^2}\,dx
\frac{1}{2}\int \frac{2xcos(x)}{x^2}\,dx=\frac{1}{2}\int \frac{-sin(x)}{x}\,dx-\frac{1}{2}\frac{cos(x)}{x}\,dx
\frac{1}{2}\int \frac{2xcos(x)}{x^2}\,dx=\frac{1}{2}\int \frac{-sin(x)}{x}\,dx-\frac{1}{2}\frac{cos(x)}{x}\,dx
\int \frac{sin(x)}{x}\,dx=\frac{1}{2}\left(\frac{1}{2} \int \frac{-sin(x)}{x} \,dx - \frac{1}{2}\frac{cos(x)}{x}\right)-\frac{1}{2}\frac{sin(x)}{x}
\frac{5}{4}\int \frac{sin(x)}{x}\,dx=-\frac{1}{4}\frac{cos(x)}{x}-\frac{1}{2}\frac{sin(x)}{x}
\int \frac{sin(x)}{x}\,dx=-\frac{1}{5}\frac{cos(x)}{x}-\frac{2}{5}\frac{sin(x)}{x}
 
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I got a bit of a headache following you since there are extra dx's everywhere & at least one is missing ...

But, could you check your result against a power series expansion of
sin(x)/x = 1 - x^2/3! + x^4/5! - ...

Integral sin(x)/x = x - x^3/3(3!) + x^5/5(5!) - ...

and compare that with the series for your answer?
 
I haven't looked at your method yet, but there's an easy way to tell if your method works. Take the derivative of your answer and see if you get sin(x)/x
 
good point gb nash! Somebody please do it - I got to go hike.
 
your mistake is that you took g(x) = x^{2}, whereas, according to the formula you derived the denominator is g^{2}(x) and should be equal to x^{2}, thus g(x) = x. But, then, g'(x) = 1 and not 2 x as you had assumed.
 
Thanks. I guess that means the method is totally trashed by that explains why it wasn't working.
 
Yes.

Alternatively, you could have used the ordinary integration by parts:

<br /> \int{\frac{\sin{x}}{x} \, dx} = -\int{\frac{1}{x} \, d(\cos{x})} = -\frac{\cos{x}}{x} - \int{\frac{\cos{x}}{x^{2}} \, dx} = -\frac{\cos{x}}{x} - \int{\frac{1}{x^{2}} \, d(\sin{x})} = -\frac{\cos{x}}{x} - \frac{\sin{x}}{x^{2}} - 2 \int{\frac{\sin{x}}{x^{3}} \, dx}<br />

You may notice a recursion for the integrals:
<br /> I_{n} \equiv \int{\frac{\sin{x}}{x^{2 n + 1}} \, dx}<br />

By similar double integration by parts, you get:
<br /> I_{n} = -\frac{\cos{x}}{x^{2 n + 1}} - \frac{(2 n + 1) \sin{x}}{x^{2 n + 2}} - (2 n + 1) (2 n + 2) I_{n + 1}<br />

As you can see, this procedure goes on indefinitely and you do not get a closed form.
 
Ohhh. That's genius. Thanks.
 

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