Can Shock Waves Initiate Protostar Formation?

  • Thread starter Thread starter hunt_mat
  • Start date Start date
  • Tags Tags
    Formation
AI Thread Summary
Shock waves are typically associated with star formation following supernova events, but the discussion explores the potential for shock waves to initiate protostar formation independently. The mathematical framework presented suggests that the dynamics of self-gravitation can lead to shock wave formation, particularly through the modified Navier-Stokes equation. The concept of converging shock waves is introduced, which could compress gas into a small region, raising temperatures sufficiently to facilitate fusion. There is a challenge to the notion that Population III stars formed without shock waves, positing that gravitational gas collapse would inherently generate shocks. The conversation highlights the need for further exploration of shock wave dynamics in early star formation scenarios.
hunt_mat
Homework Helper
Messages
1,816
Reaction score
33
I have a thought whilst in the shower this morning, it is usually said that shock waves only take part in star formation when other stars have formed and have exploded as supernova sending out a shock wave. Now I have been thinking, the usual equation for self gravitation is given by:
<br /> \frac{d^{2}r}{dt^{2}}=-\frac{Gm}{r^{2}}-\frac{1}{\rho}\frac{\partial p}{\partial r}<br />
Upon writing v=dr/dt, it is possible to write the acceleration as:
<br /> \frac{d^{2}r}{dt^{2}}=\frac{dv}{dt}=\frac{\partial v}{\partial t}+v\frac{\partial v}{\partial r}<br />
So the equation becomes:
<br /> \frac{\partial v}{\partial t}+v\frac{\partial v}{\partial r}=-\frac{Gm}{r^{2}}-\frac{1}{\rho}\frac{\partial p}{\partial r}<br />
The above equation is a first order hyperbolic equation which allows the formation of shocks, in this case allows the possibility of converging shock waves from the mathematical standpoint at least.

Thoughts?
 
Astronomy news on Phys.org
You've basically written the 1-D Navier-Stokes equation where pressure and gravity are the only forces present. You can get shock waves applying different conditions like stationary flow. Not sure what you mean by converging shock wave though.
 
The probability of shock waves from more than one supernova converging at any particular point in space is ... low.
 
A converging shockwave is one that converges to a particular point, it doesn't spread out like a detonation wave. So a converging shock would compress the gas to a very small region therefore making it very hot indeed. This I think would be enough to start fusion more easily.

One of the things I keep hearing about is that population III stars didn't have shock waves to get then started which I think is wrong because the equation modelling them does support shock wave and the more I think about it the more I think that the gas coming together under gravity would naturally shock up.
 
Is a homemade radio telescope realistic? There seems to be a confluence of multiple technologies that makes the situation better than when I was a wee lad: software-defined radio (SDR), the easy availability of satellite dishes, surveillance drives, and fast CPUs. Let's take a step back - it is trivial to see the sun in radio. An old analog TV, a set of "rabbit ears" antenna, and you're good to go. Point the antenna at the sun (i.e. the ears are perpendicular to it) and there is...
3I/ATLAS, also known as C/2025 N1 (ATLAS) and formerly designated as A11pl3Z, is an iinterstellar comet. It was discovered by the Asteroid Terrestrial-impact Last Alert System (ATLAS) station at Río Hurtado, Chile on 1 July 2025. Note: it was mentioned (as A11pl3Z) by DaveE in a new member's introductory thread. https://www.physicsforums.com/threads/brian-cox-lead-me-here.1081670/post-7274146 https://earthsky.org/space/new-interstellar-object-candidate-heading-toward-the-sun-a11pl3z/ One...
Back
Top