Parity of stress tensor versus stress-energy tensor

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The discussion revolves around the parity properties of the stress tensor in continuum mechanics compared to the stress-energy tensor in general relativity. Participants explore the implications of these properties under parity transformations, examining whether the stress tensor can be considered a true tensor based on its behavior with respect to normal and stress vectors.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants assert that the stress-energy tensor remains unchanged under spacetime parity transformations, aligning with the definition of a tensor.
  • Others argue that in three-dimensional continuum mechanics, the stress tensor's behavior under parity transformations suggests it may not be a true tensor, as normal vectors and stress vectors have different parity properties.
  • One participant proposes that the normal vector is defined as an outward normal, which flips sign under parity, leading to a discussion on whether this indicates it is a vector rather than an axial vector.
  • Another participant challenges the interpretation of the stress tensor's parity, suggesting that if the stress tensor remains positive under reflection, it retains its status as a real tensor.
  • A later reply introduces a specific example involving a cube and normal vectors, illustrating how the definition of the normal vector can influence its classification under parity transformations.
  • Participants reference external sources to support their arguments regarding the nature of the stress tensor and its relation to axial vectors and parity.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

The discussion remains unresolved, with multiple competing views on whether the stress tensor can be classified as a true tensor based on its parity properties. Participants express differing interpretations of the implications of parity transformations on the stress tensor and normal vectors.

Contextual Notes

Participants highlight the dependence on definitions of normal vectors and the context in which they are applied, indicating that assumptions about outward directionality and the nature of vector definitions may influence the conclusions drawn about the stress tensor.

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The stress-energy tensor is an actual tensor, i.e., under a spacetime parity transformation it stays the same, which is what a tensor with two indices is supposed to do according to the tensor transformation law. This also makes sense because in the Einstein field equations, the stress-energy tensor is related to the Einstein tensor, which is tensorial.

However, in three-dimensional continuum mechanics, the stress tensor takes a normal vector as an input and gives a stress vector as an output. In three dimensions, a normal vector is an axial vector (even under parity), while a stress vector is a true vector (odd under parity). Therefore it seems that the stress 3-tensor must be odd under parity, which makes it not a real tensor.

Is this analysis correct? I'm used to thinking of the stress 3-tensor as a block of elements in the stress-energy tensor, when they're expressed in Minkowski coordinates. Doesn't that imply that they should have the same parity properties?
 
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bcrowell said:
However, in three-dimensional continuum mechanics, the stress tensor takes a normal vector as an input and gives a stress vector as an output. In three dimensions, a normal vector is an axial vector (even under parity), while a stress vector is a true vector (odd under parity). Therefore it seems that the stress 3-tensor must be odd under parity, which makes it not a real tensor.
I'd say that the quantities are all defined relative to a small element of the matter, with the convention that "outward" is the positive sense. The normal vector ni is the outward normal, and when you do the parity reflection, volume element and all, the reflected normal vector points in the other direction, but is again outward.

Likewise for the stress vector, Ti = τij nj the positive sense is taken to be outward, and remains so under reflection.
 
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@Bill_K: Your #2 reads to me as a confirmation, by a different line of reasoning, of the result I arrived at in the second paragraph of my #1. Am I understanding you correctly?
Um, no, quite the opposite! :smile: I'm saying that if τij is positive, it will remain positive under reflection, so it's a real tensor.
 
Hmm...OK, I see what you mean. Let's say we have a cube with sides of length 2, centered on the origin, with edges parallel to the Cartesian axes. Let's take a normal vector at point P=(1,0,0). This normal vector equals (1,0,0), pointing in the outward direction.

Now define new coordinates (x',y',z')=(-x,-y,-z). In these coordinates, the point P is (-1,0,0). The normal vector points in the outward direction, so it's (-1,0,0).

So under a parity inversion, the normal vector has flipped signs. That makes it a vector, not an axial vector.

The reason I was thinking of it as an axial vector was that if it's defined by a vector cross product, then it doesn't change under a parity flip. I was influenced by this argument: http://mathoverflow.net/a/171888/21349

I think what's going on is that you can define the normal vector as a cross product, in which case it does not necessarily point outward, it's even under parity, and the stress tensor needs to be odd under parity. Or if you have a closed surface, you can define the normal vector as pointing outward, in which case it's odd under parity, the stress tensor is even under parity, and everything is tensorial.
 
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