What is Curvature: Definition and 910 Discussions

In mathematics, curvature is any of several strongly related concepts in geometry. Intuitively, the curvature is the amount by which a curve deviates from being a straight line, or a surface deviates from being a plane.
For curves, the canonical example is that of a circle, which has a curvature equal to the reciprocal of its radius. Smaller circles bend more sharply, and hence have higher curvature. The curvature at a point of a differentiable curve is the curvature of its osculating circle, that is the circle that best approximates the curve near this point. The curvature of a straight line is zero. In contrast to the tangent, which is a vector quantity, the curvature at a point is typically a scalar quantity, that is, it is expressed by a single real number.
For surfaces (and, more generally for higher-dimensional manifolds), that are embedded in a Euclidean space, the concept of curvature is more complex, as it depends on the choice of a direction on the surface or manifold. This leads to the concepts of maximal curvature, minimal curvature, and mean curvature.
For Riemannian manifolds (of dimension at least two) that are not necessarily embedded in a Euclidean space, one can define the curvature intrinsically, that is without referring to an external space. See Curvature of Riemannian manifolds for the definition, which is done in terms of lengths of curves traced on the manifold, and expressed, using linear algebra, by the Riemann curvature tensor.

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  1. A

    Understanding curvature tensor equation

    hi, I am trying to understand the meaning of the following equation in the simplest way possible thanks in advance
  2. A

    Understanding curvature tensor equation

    hi, I am trying to understand the meaning of the following equation in the simplest way possible https://public.blu.livefilestore.com/y1pWwu86vlTmLHRY35RBhm3I55eYrMWCtWPmdVjAM807ltH2EfInsaFIBk6nCFhnIdwno9Mz4Oa4qWC8Zv9xND3KA/tensorp.png?psid=1 thanks in advance
  3. M

    How is universe curvature measured?

    I just want to ask, because it is easy to imagine on small scale (eg draw triangle on small sphere and than make sum of its angles). But how it is really done at universe scale, when we cannot leave our position to see the big picture?
  4. K

    The radii of the curvature of the spherical surfaces which is a lens

    the radii of the curvature of the spherical surfaces which is a lens of required focal length are not same. it forms image of an object. the surfaces of the lens facing the object and the image are interhanged. will the position of the image change?
  5. L

    Measuring curvature of space around a star

    I am wondering how space geographers would measure curvature of space around a large isolated star. i am thinking of the set up where there are two nearby spheres surrounding the star whose circumferences are already known. The remaining step is to measure the length of a radial geodesic segment...
  6. T

    Curvature and its affect on strength

    Dave made a comment about curvature being a variable when determining strength of a material. I was wondering how curvature does affect strength in structures/materials. I know that "the more circular an object is the stronger it will be" is common knowledge. I am looking for something more...
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    Can expansion be due to large-scale curvature?

    I wanted to say I love the posts on this Cosmology forum - very good reads. My question is whether there is enough to large-scale curvature alone to cause the expansion of the universe as we measure it? Why can't galaxies accelerating away from us be moving in curved space? I agree with...
  8. H

    Surfaces with Same Gaussian Curvature: Hedi's Ques.

    Hi, are there two non isomorphic surfaces with the same gaussian curvature? thank's Hedi
  9. conquest

    Book on Curvature wrong or am I confused

    Hi, I was doing some exercises from the book on curvature by Lee to buff up my differential geometry. I came a cross the following question and it seems to me the question isn't completely correct, but I'm not so good at differential geometry that I am confident. Maybe someone else is...
  10. A

    Gravity and space curvature confusion

    Hello there. I'm new to the forums obviously. And I'm also quite new to physics. I've read many existing answers about how this works but I can't really understand how it would logically work out. From what I've understood. Gravity is not a force. Objects move in a straight line unaltered by...
  11. T

    Asperity density and asperity radius of curvature

    Hi guys, The terms above (asperity density and asperity radius of curvature) have confused me for quite a while. I've no clue what they are. Could anyone give me a hand? And is there any relation between them and the summit radius & area per summit? Thanks! CC
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    Curvature as the source of a field on a two dimensional Riemannian manifold

    I am looking for some intuition into a way of looking at the Gauss curvature on a surface that describes it as the divergence of a potential function - at least locally. I am not sure exactly what the intuition is - but this way of looking at things seems suggestive. Any insight is welcome. In...
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    Gravity as space-time curvature and the need to unify it with quantum mechanics

    Hi there. This is my first posting to this forum, and in fact to any forum in many years, so please excuse me if I have not followed the rules correctly or chosen the correct forum. I have been watching a lot of Neil DeGrasse Tyson-related videos and it has lead me to a line of thinking...
  14. M

    Functions with curvature as parameter

    A year ago I learned in multi-var calc about curvature, and since then I've wondered something. It came up again today when my dad tried to talk to me about curvature like it was the second derivative. :P Is there a way, or at least any attempt or resource at all, about parameterizing a...
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    How is the Riemann tensor proportinial to the curvature scalar?

    My professor asks, "Double check a formula that specifies how Riemann tensor is proportional to a curvature scalar." in our homework. The closet thing I can find is the relation between the ricci tensor and the curvature scalar in einstein's field equation for empty space.
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    Why the Gaussian curvature is extrinsic ?

    Hi all! Let's start from the begin to see where I get lost. Extrinsic curvature defines the way an object relates to the radius of curvature of circles that touch the object (a couple of further nicer definitions come from physics, for the moments I am not mentioning them), and intrinsic...
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    Torus and sphere with positive or negative curvature

    Hi I know that the sphere has positive curvature everywhere, and the torus has positive an negative curvature. Is there a space homeomorphic to the sphere such that this space has negative curvature everywhere? And, is there a space homeomorphic to the torus such that the curvature is always...
  18. D

    The unit vector normal to the curvature of spacetime

    Let us say there is a curved region of spacetime whose curvature is \kappa(s). How does one find the coordinates of the unit vector normal to a certain point on the region of spacetime? I tried searching Hamilton's principle and the general theory of relativity but I could not find any equation...
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    Space time curvature caused by fast electron

    Hi everybody! what happens if an electron passes by with a speed of, say, 99.999999999...% of the speed of light (relative to me). Its mass will then be enormous. Will this electron cause a relevant curvature of spacetime? Can it be so fast that it acts like a black hole? I guess not. But why?
  20. D

    Calculating the gaussian curvature of a surface

    Let x(u,v) be a coordinate patch. Define a new patch by y(u, v) = c x (u, v) where c is a constant. Show that K_y = \frac {1}{c^2}K_x where K_x is the gaussian curvature calculated using x(u, v) and K_y is the gaussian curvature calculated using y(u, v). my book expects us to use the...
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    Elliptical Orbit's curvature the same at opposite ends of semi-major axis?

    Let the elliptical orbit be bisected through the semi-minor axis... Ellipses are symetrical and both sides here are mirror images of each other, true? If so, then they share matching curvature at opposite ends of the semi-major axis (and opposite ends of the semi-minor axis, and reflections...
  22. A

    Find the curvature at a point(vector function)

    Homework Statement Find the curvature of r(t)= <t^2, lnt, t lnt> at the point P(1,0,0) Homework Equations K(t) = |r'(t) x r''(t)|/(|r'(t)|^3) The Attempt at a Solution r'(t) = <2t, t^-1, lnt+1> r''(t) = <2, -t^-2, t^-1> |r'(t) x r''(t)| = sqrt[t^-4(4 + 4 lnt + ln^2t) + (4...
  23. T

    Curvature to mirror and focus light?

    I posted earlier asking if my science fair idea—to use many mirrors to reflect light onto one point—would work. After getting a reply that it would, I now have another question. It's clear that I have to use a curved board to mount the mirrors onto, or I would just get reflection of straight...
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    How Is the Radius of Curvature 8.68 mm Calculated for a Lens?

    Homework Statement Parallel light in air enters a transparent medium of refractive index 1.33 and is focused 35 mm behind the surface. Calculate the radius of curvature of the surface of the medium Homework Equations f = \frac{R}{2} \frac{1}{f}=(n-1) \left(...
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    What is the physical meaning of curvature?

    I'm not sure if this belongs here or in the physics section. The mathematical definition of curvature is the derivative of the unit tangent vector normalized to the arc length: \kappa = \frac{dT}{ds}. If we apply this to a parabola with equation y = x^{2} we get \frac{2}{(1+4x^{2})^{3/2}}...
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    Curvature form respect to principal connection

    Curvature form with respect to principal connection Hi all, I have a question. Let us suppose that P is a principal bundle with G standard group, \omega a principal connection (as a split of tangent space in direct sum of vertical and horizontal vectors, at every point in a differential way)...
  27. T

    Effects of Constant Curvature on Radiation: Red-Shift or Unaffected?

    If a certain space-time region has a constant curvature (caused by, say, an even distribution of energy over the region) how would radiation be effected by the curvature? Would it create a red-shift / blue-shift as the radiation moved through the region or would it be un-effected? Has anyone...
  28. T

    Curvature of a Plane Curve: Exploring the Inclination of Tangent Lines

    Homework Statement show that the curvature of a plane curve is \kappa=|\frac{d\phi}{ds}| where phi is the angle between T and i; that is, phi is the inclination of the tangent line.Homework Equations The Attempt at a Solution I'm not sure how to start this one out. Any ideas?
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    Finding the Curvature of a Plane Curve

    Find the curvature of the plane curve given by r(t) = (3cost)i + (3sint)j at the point (√(2), √(7) ). I know that κ=|r'(t) x r"(t)| / |r'(t)|^3 However, I believe that you are not allowed to do cross product unless there is an x, y, and z component and this question only has an x and y...
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    Calculate curvature by coordinate component method

    I'm trying to follow the math in Wald's General Relativity where he starts out with the equation for covariant derivative: \nablab\omegac = \partialb\omegac - \Gammadbc\omegad He uses that to derive the equation for a double covariant derivative: \nablaa\nablab\omegac =...
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    How does Ricci curvature represent volume deficit ?

    How does Ricci curvature represent "volume deficit"? Hi all, I've been reading some general relativity in my spare time (using Hartle). I'm a bit confused about something. I understand that Riemann curvature is defined in terms of geodesic deviation; the equation of geodesic deviation is...
  32. D

    Finding Curvature and Torsion: Derivatives and Unit Vectors Explained

    Homework Statement http://www.mathhelpforum.com/math-help/attachments/f6/22423d1317129472-curvature-torsion-untitled.png The Attempt at a Solution What I did was I calculated the unit vector for dN/ds={.21i+0.91j-0.42k}/ sqrt(.21^2+.91^2+0.42^2)=.205i+0.889j-.4102k then, I...
  33. D

    Minimum Radius of Curvature

    Homework Statement A civil engineer is asked to design a curved section of roadway that meets the following conditions: With ice on the road, when the coefficient of static friction between the road and rubber is 0.1, a car at rest must not slide into the ditch and a car traveling less than 80...
  34. B

    Exploiting Directions of Negative Curvature

    The title of an old paper... It mentions that in order to use the full information of a hessian in 2nd order optimization that you should make a part of your iterative step to include v (eigenvector corresponding to smallest eigenvalue, assuming that the eigenvalue is negative). By doing the...
  35. V

    How Does Earth's Curvature Affect Projectile Motion Calculations?

    Hello, I am in a General Physics class and I am having trouble understanding this question. There aren't any similar examples in my book either. I am not looking for the solution, just a step in the direction. I don't really know where to start or how to begin the proof process. Homework...
  36. P

    Independent components of the curvature tenso

    A formula I know for the number of functionally independent components of the curvature tensor is: (n^2)(n^2 -1)/12. It gives 1 for n=2, 6 for n=2, 20 for n=4. However, for a metric space (with symmetric metric), the curvature tensor is completely specified by the metric tensor. For n=4...
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    Riemann Curvature: Exploring 3D Curves

    Riemann Curvature? i was watching this documentary that mentioned that riemann came up with a method to deduce whether we were on a curved surface, or on a flat surface, without leaving the surface to make the deduction. for example, for a curved 2d surface, we know it is as such as we can...
  38. T

    Spacetime curvature and the force pulling an object down the curvature

    Spacetime curvature and the force pulling an object "down" the curvature ok , I have a question about the current model of gravity. If mass bends spacetime I understand that it accounts for things like how long light takes to travel through its geodesics but "why" does this curvature make...
  39. R

    Gravity and curvature of space

    I could understand gravity involve in object revolving around a big mass as the path of the object is circular. But couldn't understand how gravity is explained when an object thrown up returns back.
  40. E

    How does Heat Death work in a universe with negative curvature?

    I'm assuming that the observer witnesses all other particles enter a horizon, be it an event horizon or the particle horizon. Thus the observer's observable universe would contain himself only. Is this understanding correct and can it happen in finite time? Also does such a universe have time...
  41. J

    Reflection in a mirror of negative curvature

    How Does Reflection Behave In Arbitrary Surfaces Hi I am interested to know how reflection would behave in a mirror on a surface of negative [gaussian] curvature. I tried googleing it and found nothing useful Thanks Edit: Reflection in a sphere behaves like inversion in a sphere...
  42. zonde

    Backreaction of accelerated motion on spacetime curvature

    Curvature of spacetime tells us how the body is moving when it moves inertially. But if the body is not moving inertially does it causes backreaction by affecting spacetime curvature? Say if we compare body that is in free fall toward planet with body that is at rest on the surface of planet.
  43. R

    Spherical mirror radius of curvature

    Homework Statement A dentist uses a spherical mirror to examine a tooth. The tooth is 1.13 cm in front of the mirror, and the image is formed 10.8 cm behind the mirror. Determine the mirror's radius of curvature. Homework Equations 1/p+1/q=1/f f=R/2 The Attempt at a Solution...
  44. D

    The Curvature of Space and Acceleration Confusion

    Like many of these forum dwellers, I've been reading the Elegant Universe and I've hit a fit of confusion. So I've got a couple of questions. In the book, it is explained that accelerated motion results in the warping of space and time (I'm thinking specifically of his example of the rigidly...
  45. T

    Curvature of along a streamline

    Hey Guys/Girls and thanks in advance Not quite sure this is in the correct forum since its not a homework question, more private study and curiosity lolz! Im trying to evaluate the curvature along the streamline within a hydrodynamic potential field (fluid flow). I have no issue calculating...
  46. T

    Exploring Spacetime Curvature: The Role of Mass and Gravitational Force

    1) Is it always a given that the spacetime curvature will be flat in a region in which there is no mass? 2) Therefore is the curvature directly dependent on the mass in a particular region? 3) Also, what exactly is included in the term "mass"? 4) If there are no matter fields to curve...
  47. W

    Trying to understand spacetime curvature

    I'm familiar with space and time together being 4 dimensions and that mass causes a curvature in this spacetime. When I consider a line that is curved, I can view the curvature because the line is drawn on a 2D surface (plane). So, it seems an additional dimension is required for a...
  48. Islam Hassan

    Gravitons vs Attraction Due to Curvature of Spacetime

    If one day gravitons are discovered, would their action be complementary to the gravitational attraction due to curved spacetime? Can gravity arise from both curved spacetime and exchange of gravitons? IH
  49. TrickyDicky

    Schwarzschild radius and curvature

    In the Schwarzschild spacetime setting we have a vacuum solution of the Einstein field equations, that is an idealized universe without any matter at the geodesics that are solutions of the equations. This spacetime has however a curvature in both the temporal and spatial component that comes...
  50. G

    Space-Time Curvature: A New Perspective on Dark Matter?

    Could it be possible that space-time curvature is not caused by matter but is an inherent characteristic of space-time? Wouldn't this explain dark matter?
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