1999 AP Physics C Mech: Conservation of momentum and energy

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Homework Statement
Check image
Relevant Equations
Conservation of momentum and energy
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Why is (1/2)(mv0)^2 = 1/2(M+m0)gh not a valid equation for conservation of energy?

Isn't the energy from when the dart is shot the same as when the two masses move at speed v?
 
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j04015 said:
Homework Statement: Check image
Relevant Equations: Conservation of momentum and energy

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Why is (1/2)mv0 = 1/2(M+m0)gh not a valid equation for conservation of energy?

Isn't the energy from when the dart is shot the same as when the two masses move at speed v?
Your question is whether the collision between the dart and block is elastic or not?
 
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To answer the first question,
j04015 said:
Why is (1/2)mv0 = 1/2(M+m0)gh not a valid equation for conservation of energy?
Because ##\frac{1}{2}mv_0## has dimensions of momentum and not energy.
 
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kuruman said:
To answer the first question,

Because ##\frac{1}{2}mv_0## has dimensions of momentum and not energy.
Whoops, typo. I meant (1/2)(mv0)^2
 
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PeroK said:
Your question is whether the collision between the dart and block is elastic or not?
PeroK said:
Your question is whether the collision between the dart and block is elastic or not?
If the collision wasn't elastic the entire problem doesn't make sense.
 
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j04015 said:
If the collision wasn't elastic the entire problem doesn't make sense.
That statement is false!
 
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... the collision is manifestly and totally inelastic!
 
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PeroK said:
... the collision is manifestly and totally inelastic!
I see the issue now. Momentum is conserved but not energy. Thanks!
 
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j04015 said:
I see the issue now. Momentum is conserved but not energy. Thanks!
You can see that if you consider what's going on in the center of mass frame. Before the collision, both dart and block move with opposite momenta. Total momentum is zero and the kinetic energy is non-zero. After the collision, the dart and the block are at rest. Total momentum is zero (conserved) and total kinetic energy is also zero (not conserved).
 
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kuruman said:
You can see that if you consider what's going on in the center of mass frame. Before the collision, both dart and block move with opposite momenta. Total momentum is zero and the kinetic energy is non-zero. After the collision, the dart and the block are at rest. Total momentum is zero (conserved) and total kinetic energy is also zero (not conserved).
The conservation of energy equations will not be compatible with conservation of energy in any frame if you assume that the dart sticks. However, I agree that considering the com frame makes it very explicit.
 

1. What is the conservation of momentum principle?

The conservation of momentum principle states that in a closed system, the total momentum before an event is equal to the total momentum after the event. This means that the total amount of momentum in a system remains constant, regardless of any internal or external forces acting on it.

2. How is momentum calculated?

Momentum is calculated by multiplying an object's mass by its velocity. The equation for momentum is: p = m * v, where p is momentum, m is mass, and v is velocity. Momentum is typically measured in units of kg*m/s.

3. What is the difference between elastic and inelastic collisions?

In an elastic collision, both momentum and kinetic energy are conserved. This means that the total momentum and total kinetic energy before the collision are equal to the total momentum and total kinetic energy after the collision. In an inelastic collision, only momentum is conserved, meaning that the total momentum before and after the collision are equal, but the total kinetic energy may change.

4. How does conservation of energy apply to collisions?

The conservation of energy principle states that energy cannot be created or destroyed, only transferred or converted from one form to another. In collisions, energy may be transferred between objects, but the total energy in the system remains constant. This means that the total kinetic energy before the collision is equal to the total kinetic energy after the collision.

5. Can the conservation of momentum and energy be violated?

No, the conservation of momentum and energy are fundamental principles in physics and have been proven to hold true in all observed physical systems. While it may appear that momentum or energy is being lost in a certain situation, it is likely due to external factors that are not being taken into account. In a closed system, these principles will always hold true.

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