A couple of questions about photons and superposition..

In summary, the conversation discusses two polarization filters, A and B, with angles of 0° and 30° respectively. The likelihood of a photon passing through a filter depends on the difference between the angle of filter A and the polarization axis of the photon. After passing through filter A, the photon is no longer in superposition and has a definite polarization axis, but it is still in superposition along other axes. The likelihood of the photon passing through filter B is 0.75. The concept of definite polarization is further discussed, with the conclusion that it depends on the choice of basis states.
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Karagoz
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There are two polarization filters, A and B.

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Polarization filter A has angle of 0° and B has an angle of 30°.

A photon is in superposition, so it doesn't have a definite polarization axis. The likelihood it's passing through a filter is depend on the difference between angle of the polarization filter A and angle of the polarization axis of photon.

But let's say the photon did pass through the filter A, and the photon's axis is now parallell with the filter A's axis (and X axis).

After passing through filter A, is that photon still in a superposition, or does this photon now have a definite polarization axis, or is it still in superposition?

The likelihood P of that photon passing through polarization filter B, is it P = cos^2(30°) = 0.75 ?
 

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Karagoz said:
After passing through filter A, is that photon still in a superposition, or does this photon now have a definite polarization axis, or is it still in superposition?
After it passes through the first filter, it is in the state "100% chance of passing through a horizontally oriented filter". That state is not a superposition of horizontally polarized and vertically polarized. However, it is a superposition of polarization along other axes. In particular, it is equal to ##\frac{\sqrt{3}}{2}|30\rangle+\frac{1}{2}|120\rangle## where ##|30\rangle## is the state "100% chance of passing through a filter at 30 degrees from horizontal" and ##|120\rangle## is the state "100% chance of passing through a filter perpendicular to 30 degrees". Apply the Born rule to that superposition and you will see that the photon does in fact have a .75 probability of passing the 30-degree filter.

(Note that I have carefully avoided saying that the photon has a definite polarization in any direction. It never does - "100% chance of passing through a horizontally oriented filter" is not the same thing as "definitely polarized on a horizontal axis")
 
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Nugatory said:
(Note that I have carefully avoided saying that the photon has a definite polarization in any direction. It never does - "100% chance of passing through a horizontally oriented filter" is not the same thing as "definitely polarized on a horizontal axis")
Unless that's what you define "definite polarisation" as... Just sayin'.
 
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Whether something is in superposition depends on your choice of basis states. A state could be in superposition in one set of basis states and not in another.
 
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Derek P said:
Unless that's what you define "definite polarisation" as... Just sayin'.
Fair enough, but do you want to take a B-level thread into that swamp? :)
The mathematical formalism says what I said and no more, so that's as much as I'm going to say in this thread.
 
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Nugatory said:
Fair enough, but do you want to take a B-level thread into that swamp? :)

Nooooo... We need to drain that swamp. :smile:

PS As I go to "like" your post, I realize you are at 3500 likes already. Impressive.
 
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DrChinese said:
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3,502 actually :biggrin:
 

1. What is a photon?

A photon is a fundamental particle of light and electromagnetic radiation. It is the smallest unit of light and has properties of both a particle and a wave.

2. How does superposition apply to photons?

Superposition is the principle that states that a system can exist in multiple states at the same time. This applies to photons because they can exist in multiple energy states simultaneously, which is known as wave-particle duality.

3. How are photons created?

Photons are typically created through the excitation of atoms or subatomic particles. This can occur through various processes such as thermal energy, chemical reactions, or electrical energy.

4. What is the relationship between photons and energy?

Photons are the carriers of energy in the form of electromagnetic radiation. The energy of a photon is directly proportional to its frequency and inversely proportional to its wavelength.

5. Can photons be destroyed?

No, photons cannot be destroyed. As fundamental particles, they can only be transformed or absorbed by other particles or energy. This is known as the conservation of energy and mass.

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