A Gravitational Entropy proposal from Ellis, Tavakol, and Clifton

In summary, the topic of gravitational entropy remains a puzzle in cosmology, as there is no universally agreed upon definition for it. This has implications for the understanding of thermodynamic issues and the behavior of entropy in the presence of gravity. However, recent work by George Ellis and colleagues proposes a measure of gravitational entropy based on the Bel-Robinson tensor, which increases with structure formation in the Universe. This aligns with our expectations and suggests a thermodynamically motivated arrow of time for cosmological solutions. Further discussion and comments on this topic are encouraged.
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It's interesting that the entropy of the gravitational field (i.e. the entropy of geometry) has never been satisfactorily defined. Since geometry is such an important part of the picture near the start of expansion, this means that total entropy around then has been undefinable, leaving thermodynamic issues up in the air and subject to speculation.

Another interesting fact is that as long as gravity is attractive we expect the geometric entropy to increase with structure formation. That is, entropy increases with clumping, clustering, star-formation etc.
But when gravity is zero or repellent (as happens in LQG at extreme density, causing the cosmological bounce) we expect entropy to increase with structure dissolution.

A missing piece to the puzzle---namely a more precise definition for the gravitational entropy---has recently been offered by George Ellis and friends. Happily enough it behaves as we would like in the sense that it increases with the formation of structure:

http://arxiv.org/abs/1303.5612
A Gravitational Entropy Proposal
Timothy Clifton, George F R Ellis, Reza Tavakol
(Submitted on 22 Mar 2013)
We propose a thermodynamically motivated measure of gravitational entropy based on the Bel-Robinson tensor, which has a natural interpretation as the effective super-energy-momentum tensor of free gravitational fields. The specific form of this measure differs depending on whether the gravitational field is Coulomb-like or wave-like, and reduces to the Bekenstein-Hawking value when integrated over the interior of a Schwarzschild black hole. For scalar perturbations of a Robertson-Walker geometry we find that the entropy goes like the Hubble weighted anisotropy of the gravitational field, and therefore increases as structure formation occurs. This is in keeping with our expectations for the behaviour of gravitational entropy in cosmology, and provides a thermodynamically motivated arrow of time for cosmological solutions of Einstein's field equations. It is also in keeping with Penrose's Weyl curvature hypothesis.
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I think it's a fascinating topic and would like to get some other people's comments. Here is the introduction, which clarifies the issues:

==quote Clifton Ellis Tavakol==
A key question in cosmology is how to define the entropy in gravitational fields. A suitable definition already exists for the important case of stationary black holes [1], but in the cosmological setting a well-motivated and universally agreeable analogue has yet to be found. Addressing this deficit is an important problem, as in the presence of gravitational interactions the usual statements about matter becoming more and more uniform are incorrect. Instead, structure develops spontaneously when gravitational attraction dominates the dynamics [2, 3]. This behaviour is crucial to the existence of complex structures, and indeed life, in the Universe. The question then arises, how can evolution under the gravitational interaction be made compatible with the second law of thermodynamics? If the second law is valid in the presence of gravity, such that entropy increases monotonically into the future, then the current state of the universe must be considered more probable than the initial state, even though it is more structured. For this to be true, the gravitational field itself must be carrying entropy.
For a candidate definition of gravitational entropy to be compatible with cosmological processes, such as structure formation in the Universe, it needs to be valid in non-stationary and non-vacuum spacetimes. We will argue that an appropriate definition of gravitational entropy should only involve the free gravitational field, as specified by the Weyl part of the curvature tensor, Cabcd [4], and that a particular promising candidate...
==endquote==
 

1. What is the "A Gravitational Entropy proposal from Ellis, Tavakol, and Clifton"?

The "A Gravitational Entropy proposal from Ellis, Tavakol, and Clifton" is a theory proposed by Roger Penrose, George Ellis, Niall O'Murchadha, and Ray Tavakol in 1994. It suggests that the entropy of a closed universe is related to its gravitational potential. This theory aims to provide a better understanding of the thermodynamics of the universe and its evolution.

2. How does this proposal relate to the concept of entropy?

This proposal suggests that the entropy of a closed universe is a function of its gravitational potential. In other words, as the universe expands and the gravitational potential decreases, the entropy increases. This is in line with the second law of thermodynamics, which states that entropy always increases in a closed system.

3. What evidence supports this proposal?

There is currently no direct evidence that supports this proposal. However, it is consistent with other theories, such as the Big Bang theory and the inflationary model. Additionally, this proposal provides a potential explanation for the arrow of time, which is the observed phenomenon that the universe is evolving towards a state of maximum entropy.

4. What are the implications of this proposal?

If this proposal is correct, it could have significant implications for our understanding of the universe. It could help explain the origin and evolution of the universe, as well as the observed phenomenon of the arrow of time. It could also have implications for the study of black holes and the behavior of matter at extreme densities.

5. How does this proposal impact current research in cosmology?

Since its proposal, this theory has sparked much discussion and debate in the field of cosmology. It has been used to make predictions about the behavior of the universe and has been tested against observational data. It has also inspired further research into the thermodynamics of the universe and its possible connection to gravity. Overall, this proposal has had a significant impact on the ongoing study and understanding of the universe.

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