Anti-symmetric tensor question

In summary: The claim is that this object transforms as an anti-symmetric tensor, and nothing more. In summary, the conversation discusses the role of the sigma tensor, which is composed of the commutator of gamma matrices, in representing anti-symmetric tensors. While it is claimed that the sigma tensor can represent any anti-symmetric tensor, there is no clear explanation of how it can represent the electromagnetic tensor, which is not a mere product of Dirac spinors. However, it is noted that the equality between the two tensors lies in their transformation under the Lorentz group, rather than their components. The conversation also mentions that the statement that the sigma tensor can represent any anti-symmetric tensor is not explicitly mentioned in the referenced text and that it
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Can the gamma matrices really represent any anti-symmetric tensor?
The sigma tensor composed of the commutator of gamma matrices is said to be able to represent any anti-symmetric tensor.
[tex]\sigma_{\mu\nu} = i/2 [\gamma_\mu,\gamma_\nu] [/tex]
However, it is not clear how one can arrive at something like the electromagnetic tensor.
[tex] F_{\mu\nu} = a \bar{\psi} \sigma_{\mu\nu} \psi [/tex] ?
Any clarity will be appreciated.
 
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DuckAmuck said:
The sigma tensor composed of the commutator of gamma matrices is said to be able to represent any anti-symmetric tensor.
"Said" where? Do you have a reference?
 
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PeterDonis said:
"Said" where? Do you have a reference?
Chapter 7 of Griffith's particle book
 
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OK, can you be more specific (page, edition)? I think your question can be answered as follows. The antisymmetric product (basically matrix commutator) of gammas bears the same index structure as a genuine antisymmetric tensor in spacetime. However, since these are constant matrices (thus can't be varied through a Lorentz transformation), you need them to be "sandwitched" between a product of Dirac spinors. To show that Psibar.sigma_munu.Psi truly transforms as an antimmetric tensor (2-form) under Lorentz transformations, is not an easy task, it's rather tedious.

And F (the Faraday tensor of electromagnetism) is not related to a mere product of Dirac spinors "intertwined" through sigma_munu. You can say that these two tensors are not identical, but covariant (i.e. transform the same way under a Lorentz transformation).
 
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DuckAmuck said:
TL;DR Summary: Can the gamma matrices really represent any anti-symmetric tensor?

The sigma tensor composed of the commutator of gamma matrices is said to be able to represent any anti-symmetric tensor.
[tex]\sigma_{\mu\nu} = i/2 [\gamma_\mu,\gamma_\nu] [/tex]
However, it is not clear how one can arrive at something like the electromagnetic tensor.
[tex] F_{\mu\nu} = a \bar{\psi} \sigma_{\mu\nu} \psi [/tex] ?
Any clarity will be appreciated.
To add to dextercioby: you can't in general. F has 6 independent components and psi, depending on the representation, max 4. There's no way you can express F always in this way. The equality is not in the components, but in their transformation under the Lorentz group.
 
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DuckAmuck said:
$$F_{\mu\nu} = a \bar{\psi} \sigma_{\mu\nu} \psi ?$$

This isn't quite how it is done. Treat
$$\bar{\psi} \sigma_{\mu\nu} \psi$$
as a set of 6 basis elements. To get a general element, write a linear combination of the basis elements, e.g.,
$$F = F^{\mu \nu} \bar{\psi} \sigma_{\mu\nu} \psi.$$
##F## is an anti-symmetric tensor with components ## F^{\mu \nu}##.
 
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2nd edition, page 237

Note, that the text only states that ## \bar \psi \sigma^{\mu \nu}\psi## is an antisymmetric tensor (7.68). It does not say that is equal to the "electromagnetic" tensor.

DuckAmuck said:
The sigma tensor composed of the commutator of gamma matrices is said to be able to represent any anti-symmetric tensor
It does not say this either. We are working with bilinear products of Dirac-spinors in this subchapter.
 
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What is an anti-symmetric tensor?

An anti-symmetric tensor is a mathematical object that represents a linear transformation between two vector spaces. It is characterized by the property that swapping the order of the inputs results in a change of sign in the output.

How is an anti-symmetric tensor different from a symmetric tensor?

An anti-symmetric tensor is different from a symmetric tensor because the latter does not change sign when the order of the inputs is swapped. This means that a symmetric tensor is equal to its transpose, while an anti-symmetric tensor is equal to the negative of its transpose.

What are some real-world applications of anti-symmetric tensors?

Anti-symmetric tensors are commonly used in physics, engineering, and computer science to model various physical phenomena, such as electromagnetism and fluid dynamics. They are also used in image and signal processing to represent rotational and translational movements.

How can anti-symmetric tensors be represented mathematically?

Anti-symmetric tensors can be represented mathematically using a matrix or a set of components in a specific coordinate system. They can also be represented using the Levi-Civita symbol, which is a mathematical tool for expressing anti-symmetric tensors in a compact form.

What are some properties of anti-symmetric tensors?

Some properties of anti-symmetric tensors include:

  • They are skew-symmetric, meaning that they are equal to the negative of their transpose.
  • Their diagonal elements are all equal to zero.
  • Their determinant is equal to zero if the dimension of the tensor is odd, and it is equal to the square of the determinant of the corresponding skew-symmetric matrix if the dimension is even.
  • Their eigenvalues are either zero or purely imaginary.

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