Any integrating genius? integrate this

In summary, the conversation discusses trying to solve an integral using substitutions, specifically t=e^x and t=e^-x. However, the problem is not solvable in terms of elementary functions. Someone suggests trying the substitution t=e^-z^2, which leads to a discussion about the Gaussian integral and its relationship to the original integral. It is mentioned that neither function, e^-x^2 nor 1/sqrt(-ln(t)), can be expressed in terms of elementary functions.
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this may seem simple, but try doing this yourself. I've tried sustituting t=e^x , e^-x. but the problem lies after that. do it and see it for yourself.
 

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You aren't going to be able to solve this integral in terms of the elementary functions.

Try the substitution t=e-z2.
 
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i think u are wrong, this doesn't solve the problem. the problem really lies in applying the limits in the end, not in the substitution.
 
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I'd like to elaborate on D H's suggestion a little bit.

You should note that there is an explicit mention of [tex]e[/tex]. Also the possible answers include the square root of pi. Shouldn't that ring a bell?

At least, this depends on your level of education. Try searching for gaussian integral. This might clear some things up for you.

oneomega said:
i think u are wrong, this doesn't solve the problem. the problem really lies in applying the limits in the end, not in the substitution.

It does solve the integral check it. It took me about the size of a postcard and 1 minute to find the answer.
 
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dear jorisL,
I'm not aware of gaussian integral. i'll definitely check it out. but, pls tell me, how did you come to conclusion that it can be solved by gaussian integral.
when DH suggested e^-z^2 . i thoght it just meant i needed to sub t= e^-z^2.
 
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oneomega said:
i think u are wrong, this doesn't solve the problem. the problem really lies in applying the limits in the end, not in the substitution.
Sure it does. There is a very simple relationship between the integral you asked about in the original post and the following integral:
[tex]\operatorname{erf}(x) \equiv \frac 2 {\sqrt{\pi}} \int_0^x e^{-t^2} dt[/tex]
In particular, there's a direct relationship between your integral and erf(∞).

Try as hard as you can and you will not be able to express either ##\int e^{-t^2}dt## or ##\int \frac{dt}{\sqrt{-\ln t}}## in terms of the elementary functions. Make all the u-substitutions you can think of. It won't work. Neither ##e^{-t^2}## nor ##\frac 1 {\sqrt{-\ln t}}## are integrable in terms of the elementary functions.

That does not mean these functions don't have an integral. It just means you can't express those integrals in terms of the elementary functions.
 
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