Are neutrinos created by pair production

In summary, the conversation discusses the possibility of a visible light or more energetic photon creating a neutrino-antineutrino pair. It is concluded that while it is possible, it is an indirect process that involves the weak and electromagnetic interactions, making it unlikely. Additionally, it requires a bystander particle to shed momentum. The possibility of an electronically excited state of an atom decaying by emission of neutrino-antineutrino pairs is also discussed, but it is noted that the process is rare and requires additional particles to conserve energy and momentum. The conversation also touches on the topic of neutrino masses and oscillations, clarifying that they are not the same thing.
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Assume just for this question that a neutrino has a mass of 1 ev. That is about the energy of an infrared photon with a wavelength of 1 micron. Is it possible for a visible light photon, or a more energetic photon, to create a neutrino-antineutrino pair?
 
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Cato said:
Assume just for this question that a neutrino has a mass of 1 ev. That is about the energy of an infrared photon with a wavelength of 1 micron. Is it possible for a visible light photon, or a more energetic photon, to create a neutrino-antineutrino pair?
What do you think? Have you done any research on this?
 
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Cato said:
Is it possible for a visible light photon, or a more energetic photon, to create a neutrino-antineutrino pair
The photons don't (directly) couple to neutrinos, since the neutrinos are chargeless. So the fast answer is no...
Neutrino pairs can be produced by the Z-boson decays. The Z decay [itex]Z \rightarrow l \bar{l}[/itex] can also have neutrinos in the place of leptons.
 
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It is possible, but as photons do not couple to neutrinos, it has to be an indirect process. It needs to involve the weak interaction and the electromagnetic interaction combined, which makes it ridiculously unlikely.
 
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mfb said:
It is possible, but as photons do not couple to neutrinos, it has to be an indirect process. It needs to involve the weak interaction and the electromagnetic interaction combined, which makes it ridiculously unlikely.

And it requires a bystander particle to shed some momentum. By itself, photon-to-neutrino-pair process would violate energy and momentum conservation.
 
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Evidently, it does. Otherwise, no neutrino oscillation.
 
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nikkkom said:
Evidently, it does. Otherwise, no neutrino oscillation.
nah, my reply was wrong... even if it's massless the problem comes from 1->2+3... so even if 2 is massless you can still go to a CoM frame in the final state.
But the neutrino oscillations indicate that at least 2 neutrinos are massive (we have 3).
 
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nikkkom said:
And it requires a bystander particle to shed some momentum. By itself, photon-to-neutrino-pair process would violate energy and momentum conservation.
Assuming a neutrino has mass (something only demonstrated for two mass eigenstates out of three). But even if an eigenstate of neutrino is massless, a photon has no time to decay to a neutrino pair - same reason a graviton has no time to decay into photons.

Can an electronically excited state of an atom decay by emission of neutrino/antineutrino pairs? An electron on orbit around a nucleus does have a legal interaction with neutrino. And what are the selection rules for such emission?
 
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snorkack said:
Assuming a neutrino has mass (something only demonstrated for two mass eigenstates out of three). But even if an eigenstate of neutrino is massless, a photon has no time to decay to a neutrino pair - same reason a graviton has no time to decay into photons.

I don't understand what you mean by this.
A photon _does_ decay into a pair (or more) or fermions, namely e+e-, if it has sufficient energy and has something to bump into.
 
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nikkkom said:
And it requires a bystander particle to shed some momentum. By itself, photon-to-neutrino-pair process would violate energy and momentum conservation.
Sure, same as "regular" pair production.

I guess the leading order process would be photon -> electron+positron, those two exchange a W boson to produce neutrinos. Then add a photon from a nucleus to the electron or positron to conserve energy and momentum.
Photon -> e+ e- -> Z -> neutrinos could also work, with the same additional photon as above.
 
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nikkkom said:
Evidently, it does. Otherwise, no neutrino oscillation.

oscillations and production are not the same things.
 
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That post was a reply to a (now deleted by the author) post about neutrino masses.
 
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malawi_glenn said:
oscillations and production are not the same things.
that was a reply to a deleted comment from me, in which I said that if the neutrino was massless then the energy-momentum conservation wouldn't be violated (which is obviously a wrong statement from my side).
 
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Thank you all for the discussion. It is helpful.
 

Related to Are neutrinos created by pair production

1. How are neutrinos created by pair production?

Neutrinos are created through the process of pair production, which occurs when a high-energy photon interacts with a nucleus and produces an electron-positron pair. The electron and positron then undergo annihilation, producing two neutrinos.

2. What is pair production?

Pair production is a phenomenon in which a high-energy photon converts into a particle-antiparticle pair, such as an electron and positron. This process is governed by Einstein's famous equation, E=mc^2, which states that energy can be converted into mass and vice versa.

3. Why are neutrinos created by pair production?

Neutrinos are created by pair production because they do not have an electric charge and are therefore not affected by the electromagnetic force. This allows them to be produced in the annihilation of the electron-positron pair, which would not be possible with other charged particles.

4. What is the significance of neutrinos being created by pair production?

The fact that neutrinos are created by pair production is significant because it allows them to be produced in high-energy processes, such as the interactions of cosmic rays with the Earth's atmosphere. This provides scientists with a way to study these elusive particles and learn more about their properties and behavior.

5. Can neutrinos be created by other processes besides pair production?

Yes, neutrinos can also be created through other processes such as beta decay, nuclear reactions, and other high-energy particle interactions. However, pair production is one of the most common ways for neutrinos to be created, especially in high-energy environments.

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