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erok81 said:If you aren't planning on teaching is the outlook as bleak? Seems so far if you are over 30, don't get a PhD. You'll be almost worse off than no degree at all.
Lol.. is that sarcasm?
erok81 said:If you aren't planning on teaching is the outlook as bleak? Seems so far if you are over 30, don't get a PhD. You'll be almost worse off than no degree at all.
DrummingAtom said:Lol.. is that sarcasm?
QuarkCharmer said:I hope that's sarcasm.
ParticleGrl said:Then he did his 'postdoc' period before he actually finished his degree, which happens. Postdoc is a general term for additional training beyond the phd, and for people who want to teach at liberal arts colleges, it is not uncommon for that additional training to be as lecturers on short term contracts at universities or community colleges. At some research institutions, the 'postdoc' period manifests itself as a student delaying graduation for 2 or 3 years to boost their number of publications. The point is that to be competitive you need several years experience after the phd. And you need to be young enough that people aren't worried about your productivity beginning to decline.
A 35 year old getting a faculty offer is close to the norm. What would be surprising would be several applicants in their mid 40s making the short list, and several candidates in their late 20s.
Jack21222 said:I guess I'll let you know how my personal story goes in about 8 years then. I still have 2 semesters of undergrad left, and I'm 28 years old. I hope to have a Ph.D by age 35, and for now, my "Plan A" is to get a tenure-track professor position by age 40. I know it will be difficult, so I do have plans B, C and D as backups, but I hope to be one of the surprising ones who makes it despite a late start.
Jack21222 said:I guess I'll let you know how my personal story goes in about 8 years then. I still have 2 semesters of undergrad left, and I'm 28 years old. I hope to have a Ph.D by age 35, and for now, my "Plan A" is to get a tenure-track professor position by age 40. I know it will be difficult, so I do have plans B, C and D as backups, but I hope to be one of the surprising ones who makes it despite a late start.
Let's make a club then. We can call it "In with the old, out with the young"QuarkCharmer said:We sir are in exactly the same boat, age and all.
Jack21222 said:I guess I'll let you know how my personal story goes in about 8 years then. I still have 2 semesters of undergrad left, and I'm 28 years old. I hope to have a Ph.D by age 35, and for now, my "Plan A" is to get a tenure-track professor position by age 40. I know it will be difficult, so I do have plans B, C and D as backups, but I hope to be one of the surprising ones who makes it despite a late start.
ParticleGrl said:Overall, phds from top 5 schools have a 1/4 chance of snagging a tenure track faculty position somewhere. As you move lower in ranking, the odds drop off rather quickly.
Ryker said:Let's make a club then. We can call it "In with the old, out with the young"
Jack21222 said:I know it will be difficult, so I do have plans B, C and D as backups, but I hope to be one of the surprising ones who makes it despite a late start.
Vanadium 50 said:There are non-tenure track teaching positions. They pay poorly, there is no job security, and you might not get hired until the week before the term starts.
Pyrrhus said:wow, a professorship is so difficult. I am one of those planning to give it a try for a professorship (in Economics, Industrial Eng, OR, or Civil Eng.).
Geezer said:Seriously, though. For every one tenure-track job opening, you can count on 400 qualified applicants applying for it (I have many friends and colleagues on hiring committees who can vouch for this number).