Bell Paradox Questions - Diagram help

In summary: This means that the gap between them will not close in this frame, but the length of the plate will still appear contracted due to its high velocity.
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jazzicaljamie
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Consider the following thought experiment. Two spaceships are initially floating in
a region of space far removed from other matter. They are at rest with respect to each
other, and with respect to some inertial reference frame F. There is a distance L between
them. At some time, t=0, as measured by this reference frame F, they both turn on their
engines and start accelerating very gently in the same direction (see the figure below).
The two spaceships have identical engines and are both programmed by identical
software to maintain this gentle constant acceleration for a long time T, until they
reach half the velocity of light, after which the engines are turned off simultaneously.
Furthermore, the rockets are initially connected by a fragile thread, just long enough
to cover the distance L between the two ships. (The material of which this thread is
made is heat resistant and will not suffer from the exhaust of the engines.) The
question is what will happen to this thread due to the relativistic length contraction.

Sketch a Minkowski diagram, clearly and completely labeled, of the world-lines
of both spaceships. (You are allowed to suppose their size is negligible.)
Here is what happens to the thread from the point of view of reference frame F: the
ships started accelerating from rest with the same acceleration at time t =0, and thus, at
all later times, gained the same speed. Hence the distance between them has not
changed: at time T, they are still a distance L apart. However, since they, and the
thread that connects them, are now moving at a very large velocity, relativity predicts
that thread will suffer length contraction. It will become shorter than the distance L it
needs to span, and build up tension and eventually break.

Sketch how the situation would look like from the perspective of a pilot in one of
the spaceships, say from the inertial frame in which he/she is at rest after time T. In this
frame, the thread is at rest too and there is no length contraction. Consider in particular
the questions whether in this frame of reference the moments their engines are turned
of is simultaneous, and whether the distance between the ships remain constant.
 
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jazzicaljamie said:
Here is what happens to the thread from the point of view of reference frame F: the
ships started accelerating from rest with the same acceleration at time t =0, and thus, at
all later times, gained the same speed. Hence the distance between them has not
changed: at time T, they are still a distance L apart.
I'm no relativity expert, but on the limited understanding I have the two spaceships will, in frame F, appear closer than L. I don't believe the string will snap.
Consider a flat plate moving at relativistic speeds. It appears shorter. Now the same plate with a long hole cut out that nearly reaches the ends. Will the hole punch through the ends when the plate goes fast enough? That seems to me to be the same situation as for the gap between the spacecraft .
 
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jazzicaljamie said:
Consider the following thought experiment. Two spaceships are initially floating in
a region of space far removed from other matter. They are at rest with respect to each
other, and with respect to some inertial reference frame F. There is a distance L between
them. At some time, t=0, as measured by this reference frame F, they both turn on their
engines and start accelerating very gently in the same direction (see the figure below).
The two spaceships have identical engines and are both programmed by identical
software to maintain this gentle constant acceleration for a long time T, until they
reach half the velocity of light, after which the engines are turned off simultaneously.
Furthermore, the rockets are initially connected by a fragile thread, just long enough
to cover the distance L between the two ships. (The material of which this thread is
made is heat resistant and will not suffer from the exhaust of the engines.) The
question is what will happen to this thread due to the relativistic length contraction.

Sketch a Minkowski diagram, clearly and completely labeled, of the world-lines
of both spaceships. (You are allowed to suppose their size is negligible.)
Here is what happens to the thread from the point of view of reference frame F: the
ships started accelerating from rest with the same acceleration at time t =0, and thus, at
all later times, gained the same speed. Hence the distance between them has not
changed: at time T, they are still a distance L apart. However, since they, and the
thread that connects them, are now moving at a very large velocity, relativity predicts
that thread will suffer length contraction. It will become shorter than the distance L it
needs to span, and build up tension and eventually break.

Sketch how the situation would look like from the perspective of a pilot in one of
the spaceships, say from the inertial frame in which he/she is at rest after time T. In this
frame, the thread is at rest too and there is no length contraction. Consider in particular
the questions whether in this frame of reference the moments their engines are turned
of is simultaneous, and whether the distance between the ships remain constant.
This post is plagiarized from this website from a year ago:

http://forums.xkcd.com/viewtopic.php?f=18&t=75960&view=next

Jamie also reposted this question with a slight modification here:

https://www.physicsforums.com/showthread.php?t=649973

However, she has since been trying to erase the evidence of her activity.
 
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haruspex said:
I'm no relativity expert, but on the limited understanding I have the two spaceships will, in frame F, appear closer than L. I don't believe the string will snap.
Consider a flat plate moving at relativistic speeds. It appears shorter. Now the same plate with a long hole cut out that nearly reaches the ends. Will the hole punch through the ends when the plate goes fast enough? That seems to me to be the same situation as for the gap between the spacecraft .
That's a different situation. The edges of the plate won't accelerate at the same rate as seen by an observer at rest in F whereas the ships do have the same acceleration.
 
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vela said:
That's a different situation. The edges of the plate won't accelerate at the same rate as seen by an observer at rest in F whereas the ships do have the same acceleration.
Aha - so the answer to the paradox is that in frame F the spaceships will appear to become further apart. Their fronts stay a constant distance apart, as do their rears, but since each shrinks lengthwise the gap between them appears to grow. So the thread snaps explicably for everyone.
 
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It doesn't really have anything to do with the finite size of the ships. Even with pointlike ships, the thread would snap. Because they remain the same distance apart in F, in their own frames, they must be moving apart.
 

Related to Bell Paradox Questions - Diagram help

1. What is the Bell Paradox?

The Bell Paradox, also known as the Bell's Theorem or Bell's Inequality, is a fundamental concept in quantum mechanics that explores the relationship between non-locality and realism. It was introduced by physicist John Stewart Bell in the 1960s, and has since been a topic of much debate and experimentation.

2. How does the Bell Paradox relate to quantum mechanics?

The Bell Paradox is rooted in the principles of quantum mechanics, which is the branch of physics that deals with the behavior and interactions of particles at the subatomic level. It challenges the classical notion of local realism, which states that objects have definite properties that exist independently of observation, and that these properties can be determined with certainty.

3. What is the significance of the Bell Paradox?

The Bell Paradox has significant implications for our understanding of the universe and the nature of reality. It challenges our intuitive beliefs about how the world works, and suggests that there are fundamental limitations to our ability to understand and predict the behavior of particles at the quantum level. It has also led to the development of new theories and technologies, such as quantum computing.

4. Can the Bell Paradox be explained in simple terms?

While the concepts behind the Bell Paradox can be complex, it essentially boils down to the idea that certain properties of particles cannot be simultaneously measured with certainty, and that there is a fundamental limit to the amount of information we can have about these properties. This conflicts with our classical understanding of how objects behave, and has led to many thought-provoking questions and debates in the scientific community.

5. How is the Bell Paradox tested and verified?

There have been numerous experiments conducted over the years to test the predictions of the Bell Paradox. These experiments involve the entanglement of particles, which is a phenomenon where two particles become intrinsically linked and can affect each other's behavior regardless of distance. By observing the correlations between the properties of these entangled particles, scientists can verify the principles of the Bell Paradox and further our understanding of quantum mechanics.

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