Conservation of energy -- Two charges separated by a spring

In summary, the question is asking for the extension of a spring with two identical charged particles attached to it, with a spring constant of 100 N/m and a natural length of 10cm. The charge of each particle is 2*10^(-8)C, and the system is resting on a smooth horizontal table. The question is asking for the extension if it is small compared to the natural length and for the correct method to calculate it. The force method is given as the correct answer, which is twice the equilibrium extension found using the energy conservation theorem. The question is unclear as to whether the system is released from the natural length or in equilibrium. The size condition is necessary because if the extension is not small compared to the
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Roxas ross
1. Two identical charged particles which are point masses are fastened to the two ends of a spring of spring constant 100 N/m and the natural length 10cm.The system rests on a smooth horizontal table.The charge of each particle is 2*10^(-8)C.the extension of spring if the extension is small as compared to the natural length.2. Coulomb's force =1/4πe* q^2/d^2
Sring energy= 0.5* k *x^2
Spring force=k*x
3. I used energy conservation theorem and since the final and initial velocities of the particles are 0 I obtained the extension which was twice the extension as compared to the answer i got by equating forces.the force method is given as the correct answer.what is wrong in my method?
 
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What exactly is the question? Is the word "find" missing? Anything else?
Roxas ross said:
the extension of spring if the extension is small as compared to the natural length.
Not sure why the size condition is needed.

It is not clear whether the system starts with the spring at its natural length, and is then released, or perhaps it is lying in equilibrium. Energy will find the max extension in the first case, but is not helpful in the second.
 
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haruspex said:
What exactly is the question? Is the word "find" missing? Anything else?

Not sure why the size condition is needed.

It is not clear whether the system starts with the spring at its natural length, and is then released, or perhaps it is lying in equilibrium. Energy will find the max extension in the first case, but is not helpful in the second.

The question asked is to find the extension in the spring .thThe size condition is needed because if the extension of the spring is not small in common to it natural length then the coulombic force will change at significantly at every instant during the elongation process.The system starts with the spring at its natural length, and is then released
 
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Roxas ross said:
The question asked is to find the extension in the spring .thThe size condition is needed because if the extension of the spring is not small in common to it natural length then the coulombic force will change at significantly at every instant during the elongation process.The system starts with the spring at its natural length, and is then released
Ok.
Assuming it is asking for the maximum extension, that would indeed be twice the equilibrium extension (which I assume is what you found by the force method).
As a check, please post your detailed working for the force method.
 
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If you start with the system at the natural extension, it will oscillate around the equilibrium position forever. What you calculated with conservation of energy are the two endpoints of this oscillation. The force balance gives the equilibrium position.
 

Related to Conservation of energy -- Two charges separated by a spring

1. What is the conservation of energy?

The conservation of energy is a fundamental principle in physics that states that energy cannot be created or destroyed, but can only be transferred or transformed from one form to another.

2. How is energy conserved in a system of two charges separated by a spring?

In this system, the energy is conserved through the balance between the potential energy stored in the spring and the kinetic energy of the charges as they move towards or away from each other.

3. What is the role of the spring in this system?

The spring acts as a medium for storing potential energy, which is then transferred to the charges as they are separated or compressed.

4. Can the amount of energy in this system change?

No, the total amount of energy in this system remains constant. Any changes in the potential or kinetic energy of the charges are offset by an equal and opposite change in the other form of energy.

5. How does the distance between the charges affect the conservation of energy in this system?

The distance between the charges affects the amount of potential energy stored in the spring. As the distance between the charges changes, the potential energy also changes, but the total energy remains constant.

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