Converging sequence problem

In summary: D ...In summary, the given sequence converges to a positive limit, and using the continuity of the logarithm function, it can be shown that the sequence of logarithms also converges to the logarithm of the limit. This is proven using an epsilon-delta argument, and it can be assumed that the limit is greater than 0.
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Given a sequence [itex](x_n), x_n > 0[/itex] for every [itex]n\in\mathbb{N}[/itex] and [itex]\lim\limits_{n\to\infty} x_n = L > 0[/itex], show that [itex]\ln x_n\to \ln L[/itex] when [itex]n\to\infty[/itex].

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As logarithm function is an elementary function, meaning it is continuous in its domain [itex]D:= (0,\infty)[/itex] then we have that:
[itex]\forall\varepsilon >0, \exists\delta >0:\forall x\in D\left ( 0<|x-L|<\delta\Rightarrow |\ln x - \ln L|<\varepsilon\right )[/itex]
Provided that [itex]x_n \to L[/itex], then there exists [itex]N\in\mathbb{N}[/itex] such that:
[itex]n\geq N\Rightarrow |x_n-L|<\delta[/itex], from which it follows that:
[itex](n\geq N\Rightarrow |\ln x_n -\ln L|<\varepsilon) \Leftrightarrow \lim\limits_{n\to\infty} \ln x_n =\ln L[/itex]

I googled this problem, but I couldn't find an epsilon-delta argument, so I gave it a go. Is this convincing?
 
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nuuskur said:

Homework Statement


Given a sequence [itex](x_n), x_n > 0[/itex] for every [itex]n\in\mathbb{N}[/itex] and [itex]\lim\limits_{n\to\infty} x_n = L[/itex], show that [itex]\ln x_n\to \ln L[/itex] when [itex]n\to\infty[/itex].

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The Attempt at a Solution


As logarithm function is an elementary function, meaning it is continuous in its domain [itex]D:= (0,\infty)[/itex] then we have that:
[itex]\forall\varepsilon >0, \exists\delta >0:\forall x\left ( 0<|x-L|<\delta\Rightarrow |\ln x - \ln L|<\varepsilon\right )[/itex]
Provided that [itex]x_n \to L[/itex], then there exists [itex]N\in\mathbb{N}[/itex] such that:
[itex]n\geq N\Rightarrow |x_n-L|<\delta[/itex], from which it follows that:
[itex](n\geq N\Rightarrow |\ln x_n -\ln L|<\varepsilon) \Leftrightarrow \lim\limits_{n\to\infty} \ln x_n =\ln L[/itex]

I googled this problem, but I couldn't find an epsilon-delta argument, so I gave it a go. Is this convincing?

Are you allowed to use the fact (as you have done) that ##\ln x## is continuous for ##x > 0##, or are you essentially required to prove that first?
 
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Define [itex]f:\mathbb{R}\to\mathbb{R}[/itex] as [itex]f(x) = a^x, a >0[/itex]. We claim that [itex]f(x)[/itex] is continuous in [itex]\mathbb{R}[/itex].
Fix [itex]z\in\mathbb{R}[/itex]. If [itex]x\to z[/itex], then [itex]x-z\to 0[/itex] and [itex]\lim\limits_{x\to z} a^{x-z} = 1[/itex] from which:
[itex]\lim\limits_{x\to z}a^x = \lim\limits_{x\to z} a^za^{x-z} = a^z\lim\limits_{x\to z}a^{x-z} = a^z[/itex].
We have established that [itex]f[/itex] is continuous in [itex](-\infty ,\infty)[/itex]

Bolzano-Cauchy theorem: Let [itex]f[/itex] be continuous in [itex]D\subseteq\mathbb{R}[/itex]. If [itex]y_1, y_2[/itex] are two different values of the function, then every [itex]y[/itex] between [itex]y_1[/itex] and [itex]y_2[/itex] is also a value of the function.
Therefore the set of values of the function [itex]f[/itex] that is continuous in some interval, is also an interval.

We have a function [itex]f: (-\infty, \infty)\to (0,\infty )[/itex], which is continous. Its inverse (implies it is invertible - bijection, which it is if [itex]a>1[/itex] or [itex]a<1[/itex]) is defined to be the logarithm function: [itex]f^{-1}: (0, \infty)\to (-\infty,\infty)[/itex].
[itex]f^{-1}: = \log _a (x)[/itex] is also continuous ([itex]f[/itex] is strictly monotone for [itex]a\neq 1[/itex], its inverse is also strictly monotone.)
 
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Google 'sequential definition of continuity'.
 
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geoffrey159 said:
Google 'sequential definition of continuity'.
English -.- We call the same thing as "Heine's criterion for continuity"
 
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nuuskur said:
As logarithm function is an elementary function, meaning it is continuous in its domain [itex]D:= (0,\infty)[/itex] then we have that:
[itex]\forall\varepsilon >0, \exists\delta >0:\forall x\left ( 0<|x-L|<\delta\Rightarrow |\ln x - \ln L|<\varepsilon\right )[/itex]
Provided that [itex]x_n \to L[/itex], then there exists [itex]N\in\mathbb{N}[/itex] such that:
[itex]n\geq N\Rightarrow |x_n-L|<\delta[/itex], from which it follows that:
[itex](n\geq N\Rightarrow |\ln x_n -\ln L|<\varepsilon) \Leftrightarrow \lim\limits_{n\to\infty} \ln x_n =\ln L[/itex]

I googled this problem, but I couldn't find an epsilon-delta argument, so I gave it a go. Is this convincing?

And yes your proof looks OK to me except that you must mention that ##L>0## and also here

[itex]\forall\varepsilon >0, \exists\delta >0:\forall x\in D ... [/itex]
 

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