Should the Wave Equation for a Longitudinal Wave Include Time?

In summary: a lot.in summary, the equation for a longitudinal wave is dψ= (∂ψ/∂x) dx + (∂ψ/∂t) dt , where ψ is a function of x and t and acceleration is always involved.
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Hi.
I am working through " A Student's guide to waves " by Fleisch. In deriving the wave equation for a longitudinal wave it uses
dψ = (∂ψ/∂x) dx

where ψ is the displacement but ψ is a function of x and t ; so shouldn't this equation be
dψ = (∂ψ/∂x) dx + (∂ψ/∂t) dt

Thanks
 
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Strictly speaking you are correct. However, in these derivations one takes a snapshot of the wave at some particular instant and analyzes perhaps a free body diagram of a piece of the medium. (I assume this is the kind of derivation you are looking at.) So "time" is frozen, and one considers the spatial variation only.
 
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thanks. It does look like a snapshot taken at a particular time but it also involves acceleration taken as ∂2ψ/∂t2 so it looks like when its convenient t is taken as a constant and when its convenient t is not a constant !
 
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Acceleration is always involved in the use of a FBD the purpose of which is the apply Newton's 2nd Law. Snapshots of the wave at different times will yield the same equation m(d2ψ/dt2 )= Fnet. Think of d2ψ/dt2 as "acceleration" not as an instruction to you to take the second time derivative and apply the chain rule as you do so.
 
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in this case I'm following a derivation from a book but in general if I'm faced with a function of 2 or more variables I would always apply the chain rule. How would I know when this is not to be applied ?
 
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dyn said:
How would I know when this is not to be applied ?
It depends on the context, what you are doing and where you are going with it. For example, if you write ##r^2=x^2+y^2##, then
$$d(r^2)=\frac{\partial (x^2)}{\partial x}dx+\frac{\partial (y^2)}{\partial y}dy=2xdx+2ydy$$
You can see what this is saying: when you move in a general direction both ##x## and ##y## change. However, if you move along only one of the independent variables, say ##x## only, then ##dy=0##. Similarly here, when you "freeze" time to study the FBD of the string segment, it is implied that ##dt=0## because you "move" along independent variable ##x## only when you consider ##d\psi##.
 
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thank you. That helps
 

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