Describe the length of an electron's journey in its own frame of reference

In summary, the conversation is discussing the length of an electron's journey as measured in its own frame of reference. It is determined that the electron travels 90m in its own frame of reference, and there is a question about whether the electron should be assigned its rest length or length of travel. However, since the electron is a quantum particle, it may not have a defined position and the idea of a stationary electron is oversimplified. The main point is that the question did not specify the length of the electron in either frame.
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Homework Statement
How far does an electron travel in its own frame of reference if a laboratory observer measures its speed to be 0.8c and the length of its journey 150m
Relevant Equations
Lv = Lo/γ
Lv = Lo / γ

1/γ =√(1-v^2/c^2) = √(1-0.8^2) = 0.6

Therefore Lv = Lo x 0.6 = 150 x 0.6 = 90m

Therefore electron travels 90m in its own frame of reference (answer key solution)

However, shouldn't the electron be assigned rest length, Lo, as its frame of reference is at rest with itself instead of Lv?
 
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First of all, why an electron? That's a quantum particle that may have a measured momentum at one point from which a speed can be inferred, but it doesn't really have a defined position after that, and so no meaningful 'length of travel'. I'm just saying it could have been better expressed as some classic object.

bq1892 said:
However, shouldn't the electron be assigned rest length, Lo, as its frame of reference is at rest with itself instead of Lv?
Any object 'in its own frame of reference' is stationary by definition and therefore goes nowhere. That goes for a classic object at least. The idea of a stationary electron is pretty, well, oversimplified at least.

The question didn't ask about the length of the electron, in either frame.
 
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Halc said:
First of all, why an electron? That's a quantum particle that may have a measured momentum at one point from which a speed can be derived, but it doesn't really have a defined position after that, and so no meaningful 'length'. I'm just saying it could have been better expressed as some classic object.Any object 'in its own frame of reference' is stationary by definition and therefore goes nowhere. That goes for a classic object at least. The idea of a stationary electron is pretty meaningless.

The question didn't ask about the length of the electron, in either frame.

Mb, should have expressed it better. I meant the length of the electron's journey as measured in its frame of reference.
 

1. What is the length of an electron's journey in its own frame of reference?

The length of an electron's journey in its own frame of reference is relative and can vary depending on the observer's frame of reference. In its own frame of reference, the electron's journey can be considered as instantaneous, as it experiences no time dilation or length contraction.

2. How does the length of an electron's journey change in different frames of reference?

In different frames of reference, the length of an electron's journey can appear to be longer or shorter due to time dilation and length contraction. These effects are a result of the theory of relativity, which states that the laws of physics are the same for all observers in uniform motion.

3. Can the length of an electron's journey be measured?

No, the length of an electron's journey cannot be measured as it is relative and depends on the observer's frame of reference. In its own frame of reference, the electron's journey is considered instantaneous, and in other frames of reference, it can appear to be longer or shorter.

4. How does the length of an electron's journey affect its speed?

The length of an electron's journey does not directly affect its speed. However, the effects of time dilation and length contraction can impact how the electron's speed is perceived by different observers in different frames of reference.

5. Is the length of an electron's journey constant?

No, the length of an electron's journey is not constant as it is relative and can vary depending on the observer's frame of reference. In its own frame of reference, the electron's journey can be considered instantaneous, while in other frames of reference, it can appear to be longer or shorter.

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