Determine the required value of feedback (H) to control the heater output

In summary: So the required feedback voltage is -3*H. [Edit: you might also want to check out the Wikipedia article on closed-loop feedback for more information on how feedback works and what kind of equations are involved.]In summary, the required value of H to eliminate the effect of the disturbance is -3*H.
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Homework Statement
Determine the required value of feedback (H) to stabilize this heater output
Relevant Equations
θo= θD*P*He / -θD+T*H
Just need a bit of guidance to make sure that I am heading the right way.

Question is:
Fig 3 shows the block diagram of the control of an electric heating
system. The heater is driven from a voltage-controlled power supply, the
voltage V1 being derived from a potientiometer. The output temperature,
θO, is subject to disturbances, θD, because of changes in the ambient
temperature. It is proposed to apply 'disturbance feedback control' to the
system by the inclusion of a transducer that measures the external
temperature and feeds a signal back to the input via a proportional
controller of gain H.
Determine the required value of H to eliminate the effect of the disturbance.

I have attached the block diagram to this post

So far I have

θo= θD*P*He / -θD+T*H

θD = Distubance
P = Power Supply = 2
He= Heater = 0.4
T = Transducer = 0.05
H = Proportional control = ?But does θD then cancel out as there is a positive and negative on both sides?

This would then give:

θo= P*He / T*H

Is this the correct way to be going as the next step for this equation would be to make H the subject to equal a value?

Thanks In Advance
 

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JE93 said:
Problem Statement: Determine the required value of feedback (H) to stabilize this heater output
Relevant Equations: θo= θD*P*He / -θD+T*H

Just need a bit of guidance to make sure that I am heading the right way.

Question is:
Fig 3 shows the block diagram of the control of an electric heating
system. The heater is driven from a voltage-controlled power supply, the
voltage V1 being derived from a potientiometer. The output temperature,
θO, is subject to disturbances, θD, because of changes in the ambient
temperature. It is proposed to apply 'disturbance feedback control' to the
system by the inclusion of a transducer that measures the external
temperature and feeds a signal back to the input via a proportional
controller of gain H.
Determine the required value of H to eliminate the effect of the disturbance.

I have attached the block diagram to this post

So far I have

θo= θD*P*He / -θD+T*H

θD = Distubance
P = Power Supply = 2
He= Heater = 0.4
T = Transducer = 0.05
H = Proportional control = ?But does θD then cancel out as there is a positive and negative on both sides?

This would then give:

θo= P*He / T*H

Is this the correct way to be going as the next step for this equation would be to make H the subject to equal a value?

Thanks In Advance
I don't think that's quite right.

Put units on your figures. For example, don't just say that
"P = Power Supply = 2."
Instead, say,
"P = Power Supply = 2 amps/volt"

Now consider the open-loop gain. In other words, forget about the feedback path for now. Don't worry, we'll come back to it later. Calculate the open-loop gain. Don't forget the units.

Now let's focus on the feedback path. If the open-loop gain converts volts to degrees C, then the feedback path must convert degrees C to volts (in a way, working backwards, from output toward the input). And it must do so in such a way that the total closed loop gain = -1 (unit-less). What value of H causes the overall closed loop gain to be equal to -1? [Edit: by the way, the negative sign is inherent in the subtraction operation of the feedback path from the input. I.e., there's no need to represent the negative sign in H.]

Once you think you have an answer, test it out. Suppose, for example, the temperature disturbance is -3 deg C (i.e, 3 degrees too cold). Work your way through the feedback path to determine the correction voltage. Now work your way through the open-loop path, starting with that voltage [Edit: well, technically the negative of that voltage, since it's subtracted]. If all works out, you should get +3 deg C change in temperature.
 
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1. What is feedback and why is it important in controlling heater output?

Feedback is a process in which the output of a system is measured and compared to a desired value, and then adjustments are made to bring the output closer to the desired value. In the context of controlling heater output, feedback is crucial because it allows the system to continuously monitor and adjust the heater's output to maintain a desired temperature.

2. How is the required value of feedback (H) determined?

The required value of feedback (H) is determined through mathematical calculations based on the characteristics of the heater and the desired temperature. It takes into account factors such as the sensitivity of the heater to changes in feedback, the desired temperature range, and the system's response time.

3. Can the required value of feedback (H) change over time?

Yes, the required value of feedback (H) can change over time due to various factors such as environmental changes, wear and tear of the heater, and changes in the desired temperature. This is why it is important to regularly monitor and adjust the feedback value to ensure optimal control of the heater output.

4. How does the feedback value affect the efficiency of the heater?

The feedback value directly affects the efficiency of the heater. If the feedback value is too low, the heater may not reach the desired temperature and will consume more energy trying to do so. On the other hand, if the feedback value is too high, the heater may overshoot the desired temperature and waste energy. Therefore, determining the correct feedback value is crucial for maximizing the efficiency of the heater.

5. Are there any limitations to using feedback to control heater output?

While feedback is an effective method for controlling heater output, it does have some limitations. For example, if the feedback system is not properly calibrated or if there are external factors that affect the heater's performance, the feedback may not be accurate. Additionally, feedback may not be able to compensate for sudden and drastic changes in the system, such as a power outage. It is important to regularly monitor and maintain the feedback system to minimize these limitations.

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