Determining the distance difference of towers of a bridge

In summary, the conversation discusses the calculation of the distance between the tops of suspension bridge towers, taking into account the Earth's roundness. The conversation also mentions using the law of cosines and the sine function to calculate the angle and the height of the towers. The conversation concludes with the use of a scaling factor and a software program to solve the problem, resulting in a difference of 45.6 mm between the top and base of the towers.
  • #1
Xarzu

Homework Statement


Huge suspension bridges are build with the Earth's roundness in mind. The two towers are plumb line straight up and down and yet, because of their colossal size, they are a bit further apart at their tops than they are at their base. So, how can we calculate what this difference would be?

Here is the input data:

If we know the Earth's radius; the location of the base of the towers above sea level; The distance (from the center of each base of the tower) between the bases; and the height of the tower, how would we calculate the distance from the tops of the towers.

Homework Equations



I have seen a similar question answered once using something called "the law of cosines" where, if you know an angle and the length of two vectors, you can calculate the distances between the two vectors? I hope that helps and gives us a clue.

The Attempt at a Solution



Here I am not taking a stab at solving this on my own. The first thing I noticed in trying to solve this is that the lines forming the towers of the bridge can be thought of forming two right triangles back to back:

bridge%2001.jpg


Now, this is going way back for me -- I am talking decades -- since I last used this stuff. But, as I recall, Sine of an angle equals the Opposite side over the Hypotenuse. So, since we know what the Hypotenuse is. The angle is something we can figure out by taking the amount of the circle is taken up by the vectors.

bridge%2002.png

(this shows those helpful square thingies that indicate a right angle)

Now, I am going to actually put the mathematics to use with an actual example: the Golden Gate Bridge.

In order to get this as precise as possible, I am not going to google what the radius of the Earth is and then, separately, google what the circumference of the Earth is. If I do this, I am going to have messed up data because both numbers are going to be rounded. So in in order to get more precise data, I am going to use a given radius for the Earth and then calculate the circumference from that data.

radius = 6371000

We have to use corresponding radius and circumference in this equation in order for the results to be accurate since we are dealing with very small changes of measurements

Circumference = 2 π r
r is the radius of the circle
For π, I think this degree of precision will be enough 3.1415926535897932
radius is 6371000
So Circumference is 40030173.59201743

Now to get to work on a real life example. Take the golden gate bridge into consideration

Height of the tower
Height of tower above water: 746 ft = 227 m
the distance between the support is 1,280 m
since, on that small scale in comparison to the globe, there is little curvature, I am just going to use 1280 meters as a percentage of the circumference of the globe
40.075 million meters
40075000
So:
1280 x
-------- = -------
40030173.59201743 360
So:
40030173.59201743 x = 460800
So:
460800
x = -----------
40030173.59201743

0.0115113165557666 degrees
That is the whole angle. We have to split it in half now to get our angle for each of our right angle triangles:
0.0057556582778833 degrees
so, now for our Hypotenuse. Our hypotenuse is the radius of the Earth plus the height of the tower (6,371,000 meters plus 227) = 6371227
That is our H in "Sine 0.0057556582778833 = O/h"
With X being the unknown value (also known as "O" -- not zero, by the way -- it is the oposite side, the half distance between the tops of the towers ):

so
(0.000100342822) * 6371227 = (half the distance between the tops of the towers)
640.0228
doubled is
1,280.0456

So the difference in size between the top of the towers from the base is uh, 4 millimeters. In reality, it is a bit more. Where did I go wrong?
 
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  • #2
This problem can be solved in one line . Think about similar triangles and a scaling factor .
 
  • #3
I think I am going to try some C++ code and use "long double" variables
 
  • #4
The one line calculation gives 45.6 mm . You got the right answer actually - you just slipped a place in reading the . 0456

All you essentially needed to solve the problem though was the scaling factor : Earths radius plus the column height / Earths radius
 
  • #5
I solved this.

And I wrote some software in C++ to verify it.

I will share it here later

:)
 

1. How is the distance difference of towers on a bridge determined?

The distance difference of towers on a bridge is determined by using a technique called triangulation. This involves measuring the angles and distances between two known points and the towers on the bridge. By using trigonometric calculations, the distance difference between the towers can be accurately determined.

2. Why is it important to determine the distance difference of towers on a bridge?

Determining the distance difference of towers on a bridge is important for ensuring the structural integrity and safety of the bridge. It allows engineers to identify any potential issues or weaknesses in the bridge design and make necessary adjustments to ensure its stability.

3. What tools or instruments are used to determine the distance difference of towers on a bridge?

The most commonly used tools for determining the distance difference of towers on a bridge are total stations and theodolites. These instruments use a combination of laser technology and precise measuring devices to accurately measure angles and distances between points.

4. How accurate is the distance difference measurement of towers on a bridge?

The accuracy of the distance difference measurement of towers on a bridge depends on the precision of the instruments used and the expertise of the person conducting the measurements. Generally, measurements can be accurate to within a few millimeters.

5. Are there any other methods for determining the distance difference of towers on a bridge?

While triangulation is the most commonly used method for determining the distance difference of towers on a bridge, other techniques such as LiDAR (Light Detection and Ranging) and GPS (Global Positioning System) can also be used. These methods rely on advanced technology and can provide more accurate measurements in certain situations.

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