Did Stephen Hawking Believe in an Afterlife?

[chrispan]

I came across this article: http://www.theguardian.com/science/2011/may/15/stephen-hawking-interview-there-is-no-heaven

In this article he states that heaven "is a fairy story for people afraid of the dark", but I don't get the point, when Hawking says there is no being after death, then there is also no darkness. There is just nothing, no darkness, no feelings, so nothing you have to fear?

Was it a bad used metaphora or did I miss something and Hawking believes in "feeling a darkness" after death?

 

[nsaspook]

I'm not worried about heaven, hell would be a big problem.

 

[Greg Bernhardt]

"is a fairy story for people afraid of the dark"

I think he just means people who are superstitious

 

[DaveC426913]

In this article he states that heaven "is a fairy story for people afraid of the dark", but I don't get the point, when Hawking says there is no being after death, then there is also no darkness. There is just nothing, no darkness, no feelings, so nothing you have to fear?

I can certainly fear the end of my life without heaven or hell having anything to do with it.

 

[chrispan]

I think he just means people who are superstitious

yeah, i think that too, but any articles that proove it? I mean its also an option that he thinks a human can feel darkness after death?

I can certainly fear the end of my life without heaven or hell having anything to do with it.

Yeah for sure you fear the end of your life, but not death in itself, as you don't feel anything and won't exist, so you won't feel the dark. Am I Correct? ;)

 

[DaveC426913]

yeah, i think that too, but any articles that proove it? I mean its also an option that he thinks a human can feel darkness after death?

No. "afraid of the dark" is a turn of a phrase. It means fear of the unknown.

You are taking it literally. It's a metaphor.

 

[Silicon Waffle]

I can certainly fear the end of my life without heaven or hell having anything to do with it.

Exactly, I don't want to lead a life like a zombie. I understand about emptiness as a bad feeling I have. I have experienced this so often like a pattern and no one has just ever had a real feel for me. I suppose nothingness in life is a bad model but to make it as a delegate to treat innocent people like me is seriously bad. I am yet to be straight that I am not a scientist and my limited understanding about the universe or science is undeniable. Will you guide me or insult me then ?

 

[Ibix]

In the sentence before the afraid of the dark comment, Hawking says: "I regard the brain as a computer
which will stop working when its
components fail." I would say that there is your evidence that he is using dark as a metaphor. If we're just computers, then either he believes there is nothing after death, or that computers are somehow partly functional even when the CPU burns out.

 

[zoki85]

Blue screen of death has always scared me more than Black screen of death

 

[zoobyshoe]

Here's the whole quote:

"You had a health scare and spent time in hospital in 2009. What, if anything, do you fear about death?

I have lived with the prospect of an early death for the last 49 years. I'm not afraid of death, but I'm in no hurry to die. I have so much I want to do first. I regard the brain as a computer which will stop working when its components fail. There is no heaven or afterlife for broken down computers; that is a fairy story for people afraid of the dark."

It should be clear he regards consciousness as dependent on brain function, and believes death brings about the cessation of brain function, hence the cessation of consciousness. There is no implication of an experience of darkness after death, and a clear implication there's no possibility of any kind of experience.

"...people afraid of the dark," simply refers to people afraid of the unknown.

 

[chrispan]

In the sentence before the afraid of the dark comment, Hawking says: "I regard the brain as a computer
which will stop working when its
components fail." I would say that there is your evidence that he is using dark as a metaphor. If we're just computers, then either he believes there is nothing after death, or that computers are somehow partly functional even when the CPU burns out.

But what do you mean with party functional even when the CPU burns out? Maybe we still feel somehow darkness after death (but how?)? Does that maybe Hawking mean?

 

[lisab]

But what do you mean with party functional even when the CPU burns out? Maybe we still feel somehow darkness after death (but how?)? Does that maybe Hawking mean?

Not at all likely. Scientists tend to be an unsentimental and pragmatic bunch.

 

[chrispan]

Well, at least it would be unsentimental that we only feel darkness after death, then better nothing at all ;) only darkness would be like a minimalistic form oft hell, wouldn't it? ;)

But you also think Hawking means we really feel nothing (neither darkness nor good things) at all, right? Though then the darkness metaphor would be a bit in the wrong place as it isn't dark. ;)

 

[Garth]

Funny how people who "tend to be an unsentimental and pragmatic bunch" and eschew such 'otherworldly' concepts such as 'heaven' are ready to believe in the infinity of other worlds of the multiverse!

Garth

 

[Silicon Waffle]

Not at all likely. Scientists tend to be an unsentimental and pragmatic bunch.

No it's not unsentimental.
I guess (you have to take my stand) they think they are tall tree climbers and are more powerful; they may have bad communication skills; they are sure about the lies the one in front of them is telling...(at least in my own case.)

 

[Ibix]

But what do you mean with party functional even when the CPU burns out?

I have no idea. It's gobbldegook to me. You're the one suggesting it might have a coherent meaning.

The only thing I can read into Hawking's computer comment is that he believes death is final. Any other intepretation (including taking the darkness comment literally) seems to me to require that you believe that Hawking believes that your laptop also has an immortal soul.

Also relevant is that Hawking would be far from the first to use darkness as a metaphor for death. Dylan Thomas springs to mind: Do not go gentle into that good night / But rage, rage against the dying of the light.

I also think it likely that Hawking is obliquely calling religious belief in some way childish, like fear of the dark. Again, he would be far from the first to do so - see Richard Dawkins' The God Delusion for example.

Anyway - asked and answered, I think.

 

[thankz]

what if I told you each man (or woman) was his own universe and depending on the life he lived would determine if he was reborn, transformed or lived forever.

 

[chrispan]

I have no idea. It's gobbldegook to me. You're the one suggesting it might have a coherent meaning.

The only thing I can read into Hawking's computer comment is that he believes death is final. Any other intepretation (including taking the darkness comment literally) seems to me to require that you believe that Hawking believes that your laptop also has an immortal soul.

Also relevant is that Hawking would be far from the first to use darkness as a metaphor for death. Dylan Thomas springs to mind: Do not go gentle into that good night / But rage, rage against the dying of the light.

I also think it likely that Hawking is obliquely calling religious belief in some way childish, like fear of the dark. Again, he would be far from the first to do so - see Richard Dawkins' The God Delusion for example.

Anyway - asked and answered, I think.

But this darkness metaphor is wrong, as there is neither darkness nor light, so I can't imagine why Hawking is using this metaphor as he must know its wrong?
So I thought you may know Hawking is believing in we feel darkness after death? But as I see you think he believes in nothing after death (and also no darkness) and just chosed a bad metaphor, right?

 

[Silicon Waffle]

...
But you also think Hawking means we really feel nothing (neither darkness nor good things) at all, right? Though then the darkness metaphor would be a bit in the wrong place as it isn't dark. ;)

Feeling something after death is dependent upon a specific religious concept, I am no a physics expert but thinking there might be some automatic process that decays the corpse right after the body stops functioning. While in some other religions, they cast their fears'reasons in accordance with their observed natural phenomena, and their references to their super natural powers are automatically replaced with their long prayers or solemn sacrifices of cattle or worst even human bodies.

 

[zoobyshoe]

But this darkness metaphor is wrong, as there is neither darkness nor light, so I can't imagine why Hawking is using this metaphor as he must know its wrong?

As I said in my post, "dark" in Hawking's use of the phrase, "afraid of the dark" stands for "the unknown," not "death".

 

[chrispan]

Sorry but I don't want to hear religious concepts, just asked myself if it is a physical theory to somehow feel darkness after death (instead of nothing) or just a bad used metaphor by Hawking (as when there is nothing there is also no darkness).

 

[chrispan]

As I said in my post, "dark" in Hawking's use of the phrase, "afraid of the dark" stands for "the unknown," not "death".

But it isn't unknown, when there is no soul except the brain, then there is nothing which is also no darkness?

 

[zoobyshoe]

But it isn't unknown, when there is no soul except the brain, then there is nothing which is also no darkness?

Strictly speaking what happens to us after we die is unknown. It's untestable. When someone is completely dead, they can't come back. The notion our minds completely cease to exist is the sensible and logical scientific conclusion for the reason we have no evidence otherwise at all.

 

[Silicon Waffle]

(as when there is nothing there is also no darkness).

there is no way he can "feel" anything after he is dead.

 

[chrispan]

The notion our minds completely cease to exist is the sensible and logical scientific conclusion for the reason we have no evidence otherwise at all.

That makes sense, but you can't fear the unknown as this would implicate there is something you can experience and fear?
But let me explain my problem, in fact I have 2 theories:
1. theory: Hawking believes there is nothing after death, we don't feel anything, neither darkness nor light. There is absolutely nothing. But a metaphor (here darkness) stands for something, but when we feel nothing, we can fear nothing, neither darkness nor anything else, so there is also no unknown in this theory (as when you fear the unknown this implicates there is something you can experience), just absolutely nothing. To say they fear the "not existing" would be better, when he thinks we can't feel or experience something like darkness after death.

2. theory: Hawking is a genius and wouldn't use a metaphor wrong (though he is no language expert maybe), and believes we also feel darkness (or whatever this metaphor stands for) even after death. So i wanted to know if there is a physical theory about it that Hawking may means. But i guess my 1. theory is right and he means we just don't exist and feel nothing, neither dark nor pain or anything?

 

[Jobrag]

I can certainly fear the end of my life without heaven or hell having anything to do with it.

I fear the process of dying, no fear of death.

 

[Travis_King]

Sorry but I don't want to hear religious concepts, just asked myself if it is a physical theory to somehow feel darkness after death (instead of nothing) or just a bad used metaphor by Hawking (as when there is nothing there is also no darkness).

It's not a badly used metaphor. His metaphor was clear, as was his meaning.

We have no way of knowing what he actually thinks, but his quote has a clear message: Stephen Hawking does not believe that there is an afterlife. He believes that when the "machine" that is your brain stops working, you stop; that's it, done, nothing.

He said it is a "fairy tale" for people who are "afraid of the dark". As numerous other people have said, that is a metaphor for people who are frightened of the unknown. In this metaphor, he is equating the belief in an afterlife to a fairy tale that you might tell a young child who is afraid of the dark in order to calm them down and ease their fears. It's about as accurate a metaphor as ever there was.

Additionally:

but you can't fear the unknown as this would implicate there is something you can experience and fear?

Sure you can. Fear is present, not future. One may certainly fear oblivion. Just because you won't be around to experience it, doesn't mean that the notion is not disturbing or unsettling. Children fear the bogeyman, but that does not imply that the bogeyman can be experienced, or that he exists. Our intellect and creativity allows us to experience ideas and concepts in the same way that other animals experience actual things. Humans create abstract ideas, and those ideas are, to us, real things.

 

[chrispan]

One may certainly fear oblivion. Just because you won't be around to experience it, doesn't mean that the notion is not disturbing or unsettling.

But in fact Hawking thinks you can't experience oblivon/darkness once you are dead, correct? You just experience nothing right?
And you only have fear of oblivion while you are alive because dead you can't experience or feel anything?

Sorry for the extra question, I am not a native english speaker.

 

[chrispan]

Sorry for the stupid question but would be rly nice to get an answer if there is any theory for Hawking about somehow feeling the oblivion (like darkness or whatever) once you are dead? :)
then I am out of the thread ;)

 

[zoobyshoe]

But in fact Hawking thinks you can't experience oblivon/darkness once you are dead, correct? You just experience nothing right?
And you only have fear of oblivion while you are alive because dead you can't experience or feel anything?

Correct.

Sorry for the extra question, I am not a native english speaker.

I am a native English speaker, and I assure you there is no way to correctly construe that quote to mean Hawking thinks something in us continues after death to experience some kind of "darkness."

 

[DaveC426913]

I fear the process of dying, no fear of death.

Not that I have reason to question you, but consider:

If someone told you that, when you went to sleep tonight, you would be poisoned with carbon monoxide and never wake up, would you not fear that?

 

[chrispan]

I am a native English speaker, and I assure you there is no way to correctly construe that quote to mean Hawking thinks something in us continues after death to experience some kind of "darkness."

That sounds logical. Thanks. :)
But can Hawking used "darkness" as a metaphor that we can suffer in this nothingness or oblivion after death? Is there a physical theory for it?

Though I think there must be a believe in a religious soul to suffer after death, or can we somehow suffer after death without a believe in a religious soul and just physical theories?

 

[russ_watters]

But can Hawking used "darkness" as a metaphor that we can suffer in this nothingness or oblivion after death?

No. I agree with the others: the meaning of the metaphor Hawking used was completely clear.

Is there a physical theory for it?

No, nor can there be. This was already said as well.

Though I think there must be a believe in a religious soul to suffer after death, or can we somehow suffer after death without a believe in a religious soul and just physical theories?

Again: that isn't what Hawking said/meant. I'm not sure we can convince you, but you are simply refusing to accept that Hawking said what we say he said.

 

[chrispan]

OK. :)

Again: that isn't what Hawking said/meant.

Referred to which part of my text now? Somehow you quoted both of my theories? :D Or maybe its because of my bad english, a whole sentence what he didnt mean would be good for me to understand his meaning, thanks in advance. :)And there is also no theory from someone else that we can somehow suffer in oblivion/nothingness just based on physics facts?

 

[russ_watters]

Referred to which part of my text now? Somehow you quoted both of my theories?

I don't see any theories. But neither of the two parts in the sentence relate to what Hawking said.

And there is also no theory from someone else that we can somehow suffer in oblivion/nothingness just based on physics facts?

No. It is not a question science can address.