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- Are there things of lesser dimensions?
Is there anything we know of in this physical world that is less than 3 spatial and 1 time dimension? Or is that pretty much everything, no more, no less?
I guess that depends on how picky you get about what constitutes 'this physical world'.LightningInAJar said:Summary:: Are there things of lesser dimensions?
Is there anything we know of in this physical world that is less than 3 spatial and 1 time dimension? Or is that pretty much everything, no more, no less?
Well I mean even a single layer of atoms has measurable thickness. I mean more in a literal sense.DaveC426913 said:I guess that depends on how picky you get about what constitutes 'this physical world'.
The surface of a balloon is 2-dimensional. The coastline of a continent is somewhere between 1- and 2-dimensional.
I think you may be missing @DaveC426913's point here. The surface of a balloon is not a layer of atoms. It's the boundary between the region of space where there are atoms of the balloon and the region where there are none. That's literally two dimensional. The question is whether or not it's what you think of as part of the physical world.LightningInAJar said:Well I mean even a single layer of atoms has measurable thickness. I mean more in a literal sense.
Rather than a littoral sense?LightningInAJar said:I mean more in a literal sense.
DaveC426913 said:The coastline of a continent is somewhere between 1- and 2-dimensional.
Sorry. Still escapes me. Balloon wall still has thickness right? And it's thickness takes away a little space from the inside and outside regions? It is an imperfect boundary as a wall 2 feet thick?Ibix said:I think you may be missing @DaveC426913's point here. The surface of a balloon is not a layer of atoms. It's the boundary between the region of space where there are atoms of the balloon and the region where there are none. That's literally two dimensional. The question is whether or not it's what you think of as part of the physical world.
Yes. So there are two boundaries between balloon and not-balloon, which are 2d surfaces. Perhaps simpler, a 3d solid cube has six 2d faces, which divide space into regions inside the cube and regions outside. Are those 2d faces part of the physical world?LightningInAJar said:Sorry. Still escapes me. Balloon wall still has thickness right?
I was about to counter, but it looks like several others got my back.LightningInAJar said:Well I mean even a single layer of atoms has measurable thickness.
The boundary is more conceptual than actual? Like I think a hockey goal counts only after puck breaks plane of second boundary of the line?Ibix said:Yes. So there are two boundaries between balloon and not-balloon, which are 2d surfaces. Perhaps simpler, a 3d solid cube has six 2d faces, which divide space into regions inside the cube and regions outside. Are those 2d faces part of the physical world?
What makes you think it's merely conceptual? It's a real, physical boundary.LightningInAJar said:The boundary is more conceptual than actual? Like I think a hockey goal counts only after puck breaks plane of second boundary of the line?
When it comes to wavefronts encountering real boundary surfaces, such as a lens or reflector, the boundary needs to be defined in 3D position with a specified orientation, such as the normal to the surface at each 3D point, which requires two more numbers or dimensions.DaveC426913 said:What makes you think it's merely conceptual? It's a real, physical boundary.
Like many concepts, the words "real" and "physical" stop meaning as much when you start looking closely.DaveC426913 said:What makes you think it's merely conceptual? It's a real, physical boundary.
Arguable. Boundaries are not abstract concepts like "justice", for example. They are defined solely with respect to physical objects. I think you'd say that "the interior of the cube" was an actual thing and so is "the region outside the cube". So why not the boundary?LightningInAJar said:The boundary is more conceptual than actual?
Dimensions refer to the measurable properties or characteristics of an object or space. In our physical world, there are three dimensions: length, width, and height.
The fourth dimension is often referred to as time. It is the concept of movement and change within the three dimensions of space. Some theories suggest that there may be more than four dimensions, but this is still a topic of debate in the scientific community.
In our physical world, there are three dimensions of space and one dimension of time, making a total of four dimensions. However, some theories suggest that there may be more dimensions beyond our current understanding.
It is not possible for us to directly experience higher dimensions beyond the four dimensions of our physical world. However, some theories suggest that through mathematics and theoretical physics, we can understand and describe these higher dimensions.
Dimensions play a crucial role in shaping our perception of reality. Our understanding of space and time is based on the dimensions we experience, and they help us make sense of the world around us. Dimensions also play a significant role in scientific theories and our understanding of the universe.