Does Galilean relativity imply infinite propagation speed?

In summary, the conversation discusses the relationship between Galilean symmetry, universal speed, and instantaneous interactions. It is suggested that Galilean symmetry implies an infinite invariant speed but does not necessarily require interactions to occur at that speed. The existence of an invariant speed does not necessarily dictate the speed of interactions.
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Without assuming a universal speed that is constant in all inertial reference frames, is it a necessary consequence of Galilean symmetry that interactions are instantaneous? If this is the case how can we prove this?
 
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With the universal maximum speed of c in all IFR, Galilean transform for (t,x,y,z) stands in approximation of v/c ##\rightarrow## 0 namely increasing c to infinity in Lorentz transformation for (t,x,y,z).

I am not certain whether first given infinite c or instantaneous interaction could lead to Galilean transformation.
 
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hgandh said:
Without assuming a universal speed that is constant in all inertial reference frames, is it a necessary consequence of Galilean symmetry that interactions are instantaneous?
Galilean symmetry does imply an invariant speed - infinite speed. If you start with the principle of relativity you can derive most of the way to the Galilean and Lorentz transforms. Deciding if your invariant speed is finite or not is the next step that selects which ones you get.

That said, I don't think there's any requirement that anything propagate at that invariant speed. Fluid dynamics, for example, is a form of purely Newtonian physics which yields finite wave speeds in media - so we have finite propagation speeds falling out of Newtonian physics. And in relativistic physics we have the weak interaction which propagates via massive bosons, so slower than light. So it rather looks to me that the existence of an invariant speed doesn't force anything to interact at that speed.
 
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1. What is Galilean relativity?

Galilean relativity is a principle in physics that states that the laws of motion are the same for all observers in uniform motion. This means that the laws of physics are independent of the observer's frame of reference.

2. How does Galilean relativity relate to infinite propagation speed?

Galilean relativity does not imply infinite propagation speed. In fact, it assumes that the speed of light is infinite. This is because in Galilean relativity, the laws of physics are the same for all observers regardless of their relative motion. Therefore, the speed of light must be the same for all observers, and in this case, it is assumed to be infinite.

3. What is the difference between Galilean relativity and Einstein's theory of relativity?

The main difference between Galilean relativity and Einstein's theory of relativity is that Galilean relativity assumes an infinite propagation speed, while Einstein's theory of relativity states that the speed of light is the same for all observers and is finite. Additionally, Einstein's theory of relativity incorporates the concept of space-time and the effects of gravity, while Galilean relativity does not.

4. How does the concept of infinite propagation speed affect our understanding of the universe?

The concept of infinite propagation speed does not accurately represent our understanding of the universe. In reality, the speed of light is finite and is a fundamental constant in our understanding of the universe. This concept is essential in explaining phenomena such as time dilation and the bending of light in the presence of massive objects.

5. Is Galilean relativity still relevant in modern physics?

Galilean relativity is still relevant in certain situations, such as in classical mechanics, where speeds are much slower than the speed of light. However, it does not accurately describe the behavior of objects at high speeds or in the presence of strong gravitational fields, which is where Einstein's theory of relativity is necessary.

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