Does the uncertainty relation apply to the past?

In summary, the conversation discusses the uncertainty principle in quantum mechanics and its application to the past. It also touches on the famous Bohr-Einstein debate and how modern views of nonlocality have changed our understanding of uncertainty relations.
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Goodison_Lad
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Can anybody clear this up for me?

In his Chicago lectures in 1930, Heisenberg is quoted as saying

“The uncertainty relation does not hold for the past…If the velocity of the electron is at first known, and the position then exactly measured, the position of the electron for times previous to the position measurement may be calculated. For these past times, δpδq is smaller than the usual bound”.

http://plato.stanford.edu/entries/qt-uncertainty/

Is this the current view, and, if so, does this apply to the famous Bohr-Einstein debate over measuring to arbitrary accuracy both the time duration of the emission of a photon and its energy (using ‘Einstein’s box’)?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bohr–Einstein_debates

After all, the results would tell you how long the hole was open for to let the photon escape, and what energy the photon had - both measurements applying to the photon in the past.
 
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In 1930, it was not clear that measurement itself can change the properties of the system, sometimes even in a nonlocal way. In particular, the case of Einstein box and energy-time uncertainty is discussed in detail from a modern point of view here:
http://xxx.lanl.gov/abs/1203.1139

So in modern view of QM, uncertainty relations refer to the past as well.
 
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Thanks, Demystifier. Interesting paper.

The idea of nonlocality ias applied to this example - that the very act of measuring the box's mass to determine the energy of the emitted photon can actually influence the uncertainty of the photon's energy - makes sense.
 

1. Does the uncertainty relation apply to the past?

The uncertainty relation, also known as the Heisenberg uncertainty principle, applies to all physical systems regardless of time. This means that it also applies to the past, present, and future.

2. What is the uncertainty relation?

The uncertainty relation is a principle in quantum mechanics that states that it is impossible to know the exact position and momentum of a particle at the same time. This means that there will always be a degree of uncertainty in our measurements.

3. Why does the uncertainty relation apply to the past?

The uncertainty relation applies to the past because it is a fundamental principle of quantum mechanics that applies to all physical systems. It is based on the inherent probabilistic nature of quantum particles and their behavior.

4. Can the uncertainty relation be violated?

No, the uncertainty relation is a fundamental principle of quantum mechanics and cannot be violated. It has been extensively tested and confirmed through various experiments and observations.

5. How does the uncertainty relation impact our understanding of the past?

The uncertainty relation does not have a direct impact on our understanding of the past. However, it plays a crucial role in our understanding of the behavior of particles and the probabilistic nature of the universe, which can help explain certain phenomena and events in the past.

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