Effects of velocity on weight (mass?)

In summary, the conversation discusses the technicalities of driving and braking, specifically the force and mass experienced by the driver during sudden braking. The concept of weight and mass at different velocities is also mentioned. Various equations and formulas are presented, including those for kinetic energy and momentum, and their relation to velocity. The possibility of increased force during high speed crashes is also brought up.
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A ballistics-esque question. Suppose we are driving at ##x \text{ m/s}## and we have to suddenly brake. For students in driving schools they are told something along the lines of "during the braking, the body experiences ##y \text{ kg}## of force" or "the mass of the body is much higher than at rest". Eventually they point out the dangers of driving without a seatbelt and that's all fine and dandy, but the technicalities are a bit odd to me. How do they come up with some specific numbers?

Suppose we drive at ##30 \text{ m/s} ##. If the driver's mass is ##80\text{ kg}##, then his kinetic energy would be computable by ##E = \frac{mv^2}{2}## yielding ##36 \text{ kJ} ##. How does one convert this to units of mass of an invisible body that is exerted on the driver during braking?

Alternatively we could also make use of
[tex]
d = \frac{v^2 - v_0 ^2}{2a}
[/tex]
where ##v## is the terminal velocity, ##v_0## is initial velocity, ##d## is distance and ##a## is acceleration. Suppose we have to come to a full stop in some ##20\text{ m}##, thus requiring an acceleration of ##-22.5 \text{ m/s}^2 ##. So the body would experience a bit more than ##2\text{ g}## of force (I'm not sure if this expression makes sense).

From the above it's not clear to me how one comes up with expressions of the form "at ##x \text{ km/h}## the driver weighs ##y## times more than at rest". Are there other lines of computations to be considered? What do they mean when they say "the body weighs ##y## units at velocity ##z## units" ?
 
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nuuskur said:
What do they mean when they say "the body weighs ##y## units at velocity ##z## units" ?

Ask "them". It has nothing to do with physics.
 
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This is totally wrong. Mass does not change at all with velocity. Do you mean momentum? Momentum is calculated with the formula, ##momentum = mass * velocity##
They might also be talking about kinetic energy, which is very important when a car crashes. The kinetic energy is calculated with the formula, ##kineticEnergy = mass * velocity^2##.

PS. At speeds near the speed of light, some people misuse the word "mass" to describe something that increases at such huge speeds. That is not what you are talking about here when you talk about a car.
 
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One can argue that if the deceleration is 1g, the force exerted on you by the seatbelt is the same as if I used a crane to pick up the car by its tail, leaving you hanging from the seat held in by the straps. If the deceleration was 2g, the force is the same as if you were in that situation but with your twin brother lying on your back. 3g, your other twin brother joined him, etc.

Filtered through the inability of muggles to tell the difference between weight and mass, and adding the (not unreasonable) assumption that a high speed crash involves more brutal acceleration, I'd suspect that is what they're saying.
 
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1. How does velocity affect weight?

The effect of velocity on weight is known as the relativistic mass increase. As an object moves faster, its mass increases due to the energy it gains from its motion. This means that the weight of an object will increase as its velocity increases.

2. Is weight directly proportional to velocity?

No, weight and velocity are not directly proportional. While an increase in velocity will result in an increase in weight, the relationship is not linear. The increase in weight is dependent on the speed of light and the mass of the object.

3. How does the direction of velocity affect weight?

The direction of velocity does not have a direct effect on weight. However, the direction of velocity can impact the overall motion and forces acting on an object, which can indirectly affect its weight.

4. Can an object have negative weight due to velocity?

No, an object cannot have negative weight due to velocity. Weight is a force and therefore cannot be negative. However, the relativistic mass increase can result in a decrease in weight relative to the increased mass of the object.

5. How is weight affected by velocity in space?

In space, where there is no air resistance, weight is not affected by velocity. However, the relativistic mass increase still applies, so the weight of an object will increase as its velocity increases. This is why objects in orbit appear to be weightless, as they are constantly falling towards the Earth but their increased velocity keeps them in orbit.

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