Finding Kinetic Energy from graph of Power

In summary, the tutor attempted to solve two problems using the Work Energy Theorem, but was not sure if potential energy played a role. They suggest approximating the curves as either sine or negative quadratic.
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Homework Statement


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Homework Equations


P = dW/dt
Change in work = Change in Kinetic Energy


The Attempt at a Solution


Since the integral of the power graph is work done in the system, and since it starts at 0, does this mean kinetic energy is the same thing? So I can probably make a triangle with a height of 20 and base 1 to get an area of 10 for the first problem? And then 30 for the next one?

Though I feel this is much more complicated than that...
 
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mintsnapple said:
I can probably make a triangle with a height of 20 and base 1 to get an area of 10 for the first problem? And then 30 for the next one?
Yes, except that they are clearly not triangles. Can you think of a nonlinear equation that might better represent those curves?
 
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haruspex said:
Yes, except that they are clearly not triangles. Can you think of a nonlinear equation that might better represent those curves?
The question says estimate, so would an equation for the curve be necessary?

Also, one of the tutors explicitly said there were two things to the Work Energy Theorem:
1. The net work on a system is equal to the change in total energy of
that system.
2. The net work on a structureless element of a system is equal to the
change in kinetic energy of that element.

My concern: Does potential energy play any part in this problem?
 
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mintsnapple said:
The question says estimate, so would an equation for the curve be necessary?

Also, one of the tutors explicitly said there were two things to the Work Energy Theorem:
1. The net work on a system is equal to the change in total energy of
that system.
2. The net work on a structureless element of a system is equal to the
change in kinetic energy of that element.

My concern: Does potential energy play any part in this problem?
The question is really much too vague. If you allow for the possibility that some of the power has gone into potential energy (e.g. pushing it against a strong electric field) then all you can hope to do is provide an upper bound on the KE.
Since it doesn't say how accurate the estimate is to be, yes, you could just treat the curve as a sawtooth, but by the same argument you could just estimate 0.
So we are left to guess what is wanted. My guess would be to approximate the curves as either sine or negative quadratic.
 
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Your approach is on the right track, but there are a few things to consider when using a graph to find kinetic energy. First, the power graph represents the rate of change of work, not the actual work done. So to find the work done, you would need to integrate the power graph over the given time period. Then, to find the change in kinetic energy, you would need to use the equation Change in work = Change in Kinetic Energy. This equation takes into account any other sources of work or energy that may be present in the system. So while the triangle approach may work in some cases, it may not be accurate in all cases. It's important to consider all factors and equations when using a graph to find kinetic energy.
 

Related to Finding Kinetic Energy from graph of Power

1. How is kinetic energy measured from a graph of power?

Kinetic energy can be measured from a graph of power by finding the area under the power curve. This area represents the work done over time, which is equal to the change in kinetic energy.

2. What is the relationship between power and kinetic energy?

The relationship between power and kinetic energy is that power is the rate at which energy is transferred, while kinetic energy is the energy an object possesses due to its motion. In other words, power is the derivative of kinetic energy with respect to time.

3. Can kinetic energy be negative on a graph of power?

Yes, kinetic energy can be negative on a graph of power. This can happen if the object is losing kinetic energy, such as when it is slowing down or changing direction.

4. How does the shape of the power curve affect the kinetic energy on a graph?

The shape of the power curve can affect the kinetic energy on a graph by determining the rate at which energy is transferred. A steeper slope on the power curve indicates a higher rate of energy transfer, resulting in a larger change in kinetic energy.

5. Is it possible to find the kinetic energy from a graph of power if the power is not constant?

Yes, it is still possible to find the kinetic energy from a graph of power if the power is not constant. This can be done by breaking the graph into smaller sections where the power is constant, finding the area under each section, and then adding them together to get the total change in kinetic energy.

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