Generalized Velocity: Lagrangian

In summary, the horizontal contribution of kinetic energy to a ball can be defined as ##\frac{1}{2}m(\dot{x} + \dot{X})^2##, where ##x## and ##X## represent the ball's velocities relative to the ground and a fixed point, respectively. Similarly, the horizontal contribution of kinetic energy for mass ##M_{x1}## can be defined as ##\frac{1}{2}m(\dot{X} - \dot{x_1})^2##, where ##x_1## is the position of the ball relative to the fixed point. This is due to the way the generalized coordinates are defined and can also be explained by vector addition.
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In this example, I know that I can define the horizontal contribution of kinetic energy to the ball as ##\frac{1}{2}m(\dot{x} + \dot{X})^2##.

In the following example,
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Mass ##M_{x1}##'s horizontal contribution to KE is defined as ##\frac{1}{2}m(\dot{X} - \dot{x_1})^2##. Why is this? I have a hunch that it is due to the "origin" (##X## line) ##x_1## and ##x_2## originate from, though I can't exactly put my finger on the exact reason.

Assistance is greatly appreciated!

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It has to do with the way the generalized coordinates are defined. In the top drawing ##\dot{x}## increases to the right (although not clear from the double arrow) so the velocity relative to the ground is ##\dot{X}+\dot{x}##. In the second drawing, ##x_1## increases to the left while ##X## increases to the right, so the relative velocity would be ##\dot{X}-\dot{x_1}##.
 
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kuruman said:
It has to do with the way the generalized coordinates are defined. In the top drawing ##\dot{x}## increases to the right (although not clear from the double arrow) so the velocity relative to the ground is ##\dot{X}+\dot{x}##. In the second drawing, ##x_1## increases to the left while ##X## increases to the right, so the relative velocity would be ##\dot{X}-\dot{x_1}##.

Thanks for the response,

Would I be right to say that this is also the result of vector addition? Edit: With ##x_1## being defined as positive vector
 
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You could say that considering that it involves defining cartesian coordinates relative to origin ##O_1## and then adding a cartesian coordinate to define origin ##O_1## relative to new origin ##O_2##.
 

1. What is generalized velocity in the Lagrangian formalism?

Generalized velocity in the Lagrangian formalism is a quantity used to describe the motion of a system in terms of its generalized coordinates, rather than traditional Cartesian coordinates. It is denoted by q̇ and represents the rate of change of the generalized coordinates with respect to time.

2. How is generalized velocity related to the Lagrangian?

In the Lagrangian formalism, the generalized velocity is used to define the kinetic energy of a system, which is a key component of the Lagrangian function. The Lagrangian is a mathematical function that describes the dynamics of a system in terms of its generalized coordinates and their derivatives, including the generalized velocity.

3. Can generalized velocity be negative or complex?

Yes, generalized velocity can be negative or complex in certain cases. This is because it represents the rate of change of a generalized coordinate, which can take on any value depending on the specific system being studied. In some systems, the generalized velocity may have a negative or complex value, but it still holds physical significance in describing the motion of the system.

4. How is the Lagrangian used to find the equations of motion?

The Lagrangian is used to find the equations of motion by applying the principle of least action, also known as Hamilton's principle. This principle states that the path taken by a system between two points in time is the one that minimizes the action integral, which is a mathematical quantity involving the Lagrangian. By varying the path and setting the action integral to be stationary, the equations of motion can be derived.

5. What advantages does the Lagrangian formalism have over Newtonian mechanics?

The Lagrangian formalism has several advantages over Newtonian mechanics. It provides a more elegant and concise way to describe the dynamics of a system, as it eliminates the need for calculating and tracking forces. It also allows for the use of generalized coordinates, which can often simplify the mathematical equations involved. Additionally, the Lagrangian formalism is more suitable for systems with constraints or non-Cartesian coordinates, making it a more versatile approach to studying physical systems.

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