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In summary, the conversation discusses a circle with parametric representation and a line with a parametric equation. The goal is to determine the values of h, r, and θe using given values of β, α, and A. Three equations are used to specify the system, including an area equation, a circle-line intersection equation, and a dot product equation. The conversation also includes a discussion on a minor typo in the equations.
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I'm given a circle with parametric representation ##x=r\sin\theta,y=h+r\cos\theta##. There is also a line, which has the parametric equation ##x=x,y=\cot (\beta) x##. Note the line makes angle ##\beta## with the y-axis. When the circle intersects the line, it makes an angle, call this angle ##\alpha##. The 2D area of the enclosed y-axis,circular arc, and line, together form an area, call this ##A##. Given ##\beta,\alpha,A##, I want to determine ##h,r,\theta_e## where ##\theta_e## is the ##\theta## value that intersects with the line. See the image below for clarity.

I've come up with three equations to specify the system: can you confirm these are correct? I use subscribts ##c## and ##l## to denote circle and line respectively.

1) area equation
$$
\int_0^{\theta_e} y_c \, dx - \int_0^{x_c(\theta_e)} y_l \, dx = A \implies\\
\int_0^{\theta_e} y_c x_c'(\theta) \, d\theta - \int_0^{x_c(\theta_e)} y_l \, dx = A \implies\\
\boxed{\frac{1}{2} r (\sin (\theta_e ) (2 h+r \csc (\beta ) \sin (\beta -\theta_e))+\theta_e r) = A}.
$$

2) circle intersecting line equation
$$
x_c = x_l,\,\,\,y_c=y_l\implies\\
\boxed{h+r\cos\theta_e = r\sin\theta_e\cot\beta}.
$$

3) dot product of unit-tangent vectors for circle and line intersection must equal ##\cos\alpha##

$$
\left.\frac{\langle x_c'(\theta),y_c'(\theta)\rangle}{|| \langle x_c'(\theta),y_c'(\theta)\rangle||} \cdot \frac{\langle x_l,y_l'(x)\rangle}{|| \langle x_l,y_l'(x)\rangle||}\right|_{\theta=\theta_e} = \cos\alpha\implies\\
\boxed{-\sin(\theta_e-\beta)=\cos\alpha}.
$$

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How do these equations look? (OOPS, the bottom figure labels the upper-right angle ##\theta##, but it should read ##\alpha##. My fault!)
 
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I didn't look over everything, but most of it looks good. I do see in the dot product with the line that goes through the origin, you can either use ## (x,y) ## or ## (1,dy/dx) ##, but not ##(x, dy/dx) ##.
e.g. You can parametrize the line with ## x=x ## and ## y=y(x) ##, and instead of using ## (dx/dt,dy/dt) ##, you use ##(dx/dx,dy/dx) ## for the tangent vector.
 
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I didn't look over everything, but most of it looks good. I do see in the dot product with the line that goes through the origin, you can either use ## (x,y) ## or ## (1,dy/dx) ##, but not ##(x, dy/dx) ##.
e.g. You can parametrize the line with ## x=x ## and ## y=y(x) ##, and instead of using ## (dx/dt,dy/dt) ##, you use ##(dx/dx,dy/dx) ##.
Shoot, I meant 1 there ***typo***, so dx/dx. Thanks. So this is correct: I'm not crazy?
 
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It looks very good, but I did not yet study it in enough detail to verify whether it is completely correct. I think you did a couple of things rather well, including getting the direction and position of ## \theta ## correct.
 
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Thanks. See when I solve there are some tricky parts. For example, the arc can be convex or concave. Anyone see anything tricky I'm missing?
 
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