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Outstanding game!
Astronuc said:Excellent refereeing!
These guys need to stop taking dives. :grumpy:
And what's this grabbing the head business?
Heck I kissed ball a few times - didn't stop to worry about it!
Yeah, I didn't notice much if any diving from the German players.shmoe said:I didn't see much diving from Germany. There was a nice moment when Klose was taken down (by a clean tackle) in the box and his immediate reaction was to regain his footing and give chase. A nice play for someone I've seen do the swan dive more than once. Germany did have a strong tendency to flap their arms after every tackle appealing for a foul when they should have just been giving chase (burned into my brain as a youth-let the ref call the game and don't stop until you hear the whistle). Germany's biggest fault though was playing like they had already won the game on penalty kicks (which they almost surely would have) when there was still about 5 minutes to go.
Anttech said:I hate to ruin your "negative sledging of football" party here. But Football, is getting more popular, not less.
Anttech said:I hate to ruin your "negative sledging of football" party here. But Football, is getting more popular, not less.
Anttech said:Yes you are making a big assumption based on whatever media you are watching and based on your own opinion of football. Not only are you assuming that this is hurting the game, but you are contriving this assumption based on what you 'think' is diving.
Anttech said:I am sure you would be argued against quite consistantly over this issue alone.
Anttech said:Regardless If you were to come here, you would kinda notice how popular football is. I was watching the Portugal v France game in Brussels with ~ 7,000 people (maybe more) at a street party, in Belgium!
This is NOT an assumption. I know many, many sports fans who won't watch football because of it's reputation for flopiness. FACT-some people are turned away by the diving. Get it?
Exageration? yeap I have read umpteen times about how much diving Italy have been doing, its funny, because the all the media I read seem to indicate that they have not been doing this.Contact that wouldn't put a 10 year old kid on the ground yet drops a 180 lb professional athlete with superb conditioning and balance. There's my definition. Heck, remove the "contact" word and you still have enough wind-based falls in some games to turn people away.
Good for you, and credit that you are forming your own, yet misguided, oppinion's not reguritating some (soar grapes?) ESPN commentators nonsence.The in-game announcers in Canada make no mention of the popularity. We are much more fortunate than fans in the US- we get the BBC feed and don't have to put up with those espn guys
Anttech said:Yes you are making a big assumption based on whatever media you are watching and based on your own opinion of football.
Regardless If you were to come here, you would kinda notice how popular football is. I was watching the Portugal v France game in Brussels with ~ 7,000 people (maybe more) at a street party, in Belgium!
Anttech said:You said that the "floppiness is hurting popularity" THAT is an assumption! Period, you can't prove it, and you have already admited that the opposite is the case, that it is getting more and more popular, THAT is a fact! Perhaps the rate of popularity increase in your community would be better if there wasnt the "floppiness" Can you live with that ?
Anttech said:Exageration? yeap I have read umpteen times about how much diving Italy have been doing, its funny, because the all the media I read seem to indicate that they have not been doing this.
Anttech said:You said that the "floppiness is hurting popularity" THAT is an assumption! Period, you can't prove it, and you have already admited that the opposite is the case, that it is getting more and more popular, THAT is a fact! Perhaps the rate of popularity increase in your community would be better if there wasnt the "floppiness" Can you live with that ?
Exageration? yeap I have read umpteen times about how much diving Italy have been doing, its funny, because the all the media I read seem to indicate that they have not been doing this.
Good for you, and credit that you are forming your own, yet misguided, oppinion's not reguritating some (soar grapes?) ESPN commentators nonsence.
Cripes- do I have to produce people who refuse to watch because of theatrics? These are lost viewers, this is fact. Will people stop watching if it were removed from the game? If no (is this really unreasonable?), the net result will be a boost. Simple? Can you get the idea that something can have a negative effect on popularity even though the overall popularity is on the rise? That it could in fact be rising faster?
This isn't about comparing sports themselves, but the general attitudes on how they are played. I've said it before, I love football (the soccer kind). I think some of the best conditioned athletes in the world are found in football, and it gives the best opportunities for creative displays of astonishing skill. At it's best, it is the best. At it's worst, it's painful to watch. I don't see why anyone wouldn't think it an improvement if the worst bits were removed.
Floppiness is preventing popularity in the US, that is a fact. I personally will never get behind the sport in its current state. Read some opinion pieces from American media on soccer. Most of them say soccer will never catch on here because we won't stand for the theatrics that take place.
If you claim the media you read does not indicate Italy has been flopping, then maybe you should stop reading your media and open your eyes and watch a game. It is absolutely pathetic what goes on, and then even more so that there are no repercussions for it. I don't blame the refs too much because the current officiating system is horribly flawed and they can't be on top of every play. But when a guy is rolling on the ground grabbing his eye and the replay shows nobody even touched his face... come on. Grow a set of balls. Ok, I understand you just got beat, somebody stole the ball from you, so rather than get up and chase after him, it's "manlier" to flop to the ground and pretend you got fouled, that way he is the dirty one because you could never lose the ball on a fair play, you are a soccer player!
We don't want soccer.
Anttech said:-->"Perhaps the rate of popularity increase in your community would be better if there wasnt the "floppiness" Can you live with that ?"
Anttech said:U have some good points, but I don't see the diving as bad as it has been or could be, its not a violent sport. Its almost non-contact. If you want to watch people hack bits out of each other watch Rugby or Hockey, watch football if you want to watch artistic finesse.
Anttech said:two words:
SOUR GRAPES!
shmoe said:This is decidedly not the atmosphere I was in growing up-let the officials call the game, never give up chase unless your leg is broken. (I'm genuinely curious on the attitudes of players over there)
shmoe said:In the games I've seen, *most* of the times Italian players have gone down there was in fact contact. They do greatly embellish though, with the face grabbing as if their left leg has just been torn off. This gives a serious reputation hit in a country where we can watch a player picking his teeth off the ice, get stitched up, and return to the game to set up a winning goal.
George Jones said:Some people don't even give up then. While skating on a fractured ankle, Bobby Baun scored an overtime game-winning goal for the Leafs in the 1964 finals.
NateTG said:Word Cup Soccer currently allows a total of three substitutions per team per game. Until 1970 substitutions were not allowed at all.
As a consequence, players with injuries (or other problems) will occasionally stay in games. For example, in the epic 1970 semi-final encounter between Italy and Germany, Beckenbauer broke his clavicle near the end of regulation and continued to play.