God plays dice, stochastically and deterministically.

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In summary, the conversation discusses the concept of physical reality and the role of measurement in determining its existence. The EPR (1935) paper suggests that if the value of a physical quantity can be predicted with certainty, then there must be an element of physical reality corresponding to it. However, in the context of EPR-Bohm experiments, the measurement interaction can deterministically alter the value of the physical quantity, suggesting that physical reality may not always exist in a predetermined state. The conversation also briefly touches on the idea of a quantum universe and the role of randomness and determinism in its creation.
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"God plays dice, stochastically and deterministically." Seeking to support Einstein, I'd like to know how this sentence -- derived from a reading of EPR (1935) -- sits with physicists, mathematicians and philosophers.
Seeking to support Einstein, I'd like to know how the above sentence -- from a reading of EPR (1935)* -- sits with physicists, mathematicians and philosophers.

* EPR (1935), p.777:
"If, without in any way disturbing a system, we can predict with certainty (ie, with probability equal to unity) the value of a physical quantity, then there exists an element of physical reality corresponding to this physical quantity," EPR (1935:777); my emphasis.

By one reading, "corresponding to" does not mean "assuredly pre-existing, and with the identical physical quantity".

(1) It may take that meaning sometimes (typically in classical settings). (2) But in EPR-Bohm experiments, the element of physical reality -- the one that corresponds -- may be deterministically perturbed by the "measurement interaction". That is, the value of "spin-up" may be deterministically brought into existence via that interaction.

So? God plays dice, stochastically and deterministically.

Thanks.
 
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I think indeed God has decided to make a quantum universe rather than a classical one, and "that was good". ;-))).

Then he also made creatures like PR confusing E's views and "that was bad"... SCNR.
 
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1. What does it mean for God to play dice stochastically and deterministically?

This phrase is often used to describe the concept of God or a higher power controlling the universe through both random chance and predetermined outcomes. It suggests that there is a balance between free will and fate.

2. Is this idea supported by science?

This concept is not a scientific theory and is not supported by empirical evidence. It is a philosophical or theological idea that attempts to reconcile the existence of a higher power with the randomness and unpredictability observed in the natural world.

3. How does this relate to the concept of determinism?

Determinism is the belief that all events, including human actions, are ultimately determined by previous causes. In the context of this phrase, it suggests that even though God may play dice with the universe, the outcomes are still predetermined by a higher power.

4. What is the significance of using dice as a metaphor for God's role in the universe?

The use of dice as a metaphor highlights the idea that there is an element of chance and randomness in the universe, but also implies that there is a higher power in control. It also suggests that there is a level of unpredictability and mystery in the workings of the universe.

5. How does this concept impact religious beliefs?

This concept is not a fundamental belief in any particular religion, but it may influence one's understanding of the relationship between God and the universe. It can also spark discussions and debates about the role of free will and fate in religious beliefs.

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