Have a problem with this Rotational Motion question

In summary, to find the speed of a wheel when it is 10m below the top of a hill, we can use the equation mgh + 1/2mv^2 + 1/2IW^2 = mgh + 1/2mv^2 + 1/2IW^2. By plugging in the values for mass, height, and initial velocity, we can solve for the final velocity. This is because the initial kinetic energy is not 0, so we cannot assume that the final potential energy is 0. By correctly setting up the equation, we can get the correct answer of 23m/s.
  • #1
Shuo Xue
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Homework Statement


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A wheel, of radius 200mm, rolls over the top of a hill with a speed of 20m/s and negligible friction losses. (I = 1/2mr^2)

Homework Equations


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Find the speed of the wheel when it is 10m below the top.

The Attempt at a Solution


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mgh = 1/2mv^2 + 1/2IW^2

W= v/r

mgh = 1/2mv^2 + 1/2(1/2mr^2)(v/r)^2
mgh = 1/2mv^2 + 1/4mv^2
gh = 3/4mv^2
v^2 = 4gh/3
v^2 = 4(9.81)(10)/3
v = 11.4m/s

I got v = 11.4 m/s
but my answer is incorrect as it is different from the answer given which is 23m/s.
I want to know the correct solution.

I've also tried searching for the height first.

h = (3/4v^2)/g
h = 30.58m

and then 10m below from the top

h = 20.58m

v^2 = 4gh/3
v^2 = 4(9.81)(20.58)/3
v = 16.41m/s

Which is still far from the answer also.
 
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  • #2
h = 30.58m

I tried adding 10m to h instead of subtracting 10m

so, h = 40.58

v^2 = 4gh/3
v^2 = 4(9.81)(40.58)/3
v = 23m/s

Doing it this way, I got the correct answer.
 
  • #3
Shuo Xue said:
I tried adding 10m to h instead of subtracting 10m
Do you now understand why that is correct?
 
  • #4
The wheel is already rolling on the top of a hill
my mistake is I assume the initial kinetic energy is 0 but it is actually not.
So initial energy is mgh + 1/2mv^2 + 1/2IW^2mgh + 1/2mv^2 + 1/4mv^2 = 1/2mv^2 + 1/4mv^2

gh + 1/2v^2 + 1/4v^2 = 1/2v^2 + 1/4v^2

gh + 3/4v^2 = 3/4v^2

(9.81)(10) + (3/4)(20)^2 = 3/4v^2

398.1 = 3/4v^2

v^2 = 4(398.1)/3
v^2 = 530.8
v = 23m/s

Here is another way to answer the question.
This solution is more understandable for me than the earlier solution.
 
  • #5
haruspex said:
Do you now understand why that is correct?

Although I got the correct answer for that, I still don't understand why do I have to add 10m to the height that I got instead of subtracting 10m to it.
 
  • #6
I also cannot assume that the final potential energy is 0 so

I think this is the most understandable solution.

mgh + 1/2mv^2 + 1/2IW^2 = mgh + 1/2mv^2 + 1/2IW^2

mgh + 1/2mv^2 + 1/2mv^2 = mgh + 1/2mv^2 + 1/2mv^2

gh + 3/4v^2 = gh + 3/4v^2

(9.81)(30.58) + (3/4)(20^2) = (9.81)(20.58) + 3/4v^2

(9.81)(30.58) - (9.81)(20.58) + 300 = 3/4v^2

3/4v^2 = (9.81)(30.58-20.58) + 300

3/4v^2 = (9.81)(10) + 300

3/4v^2 = 398.1
v^2 = 530.8
v = 23m/s
 

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