Helmholtz pair, magnetic field in 3D

In summary, this cylinder-like shape is created by the field between 0.95 B(0,0) and 1.05 B(0,0). It is cylindrically symmetric, and you can see it with the Loop Pair Stacked tool on Falstad.com.
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Homework Statement
In three dimensions, what shape is the region in which Bx is between 95% and 105% of its value at the centre? Also give the approximate dimensions of this shape.
Relevant Equations
B = (Mu_0 NI)÷R
As far as I can tell, the shape looks like a cuboid with 8 arms pointing in all directions.
 
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Welcome to PF.
If you have no equations then how are you supposed to answer the question?
Will you use a finite element model or simulation software?
 
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IMG_20220115_170936.jpg

What is this meant to be in 3d?
 
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That looks like the 2D section through the two coils spaced in 3D. The B field is greatest near the wires and minimum between the wires. The field in the centre will be most linear or even.

The way the model and the plot are specified will identify the situation.

Do you understand the Helmholtz coil arrangement ?
 
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Yes, that's exactly it... The region in yellow and light green, imagine that in 3D... What name do you give to such a shape?
 
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Baluncore said:
That looks like the 2D section through the two coils spaced in 3D. The B field is greatest near the wires and minimum between the wires. The field in the centre will be most linear or even.

The way the model and the plot are specified will identify the situation.

Do you understand the Helmholtz coil arrangement ?
I'm fully aware of the arrangement, I just don't have a clue what you call such a shape that's created by the region's between 0.95 B(0,0) and 1.05 B(0,0)
 
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Sebobo said:
I just don't have a clue what you call such a shape that's created by the region's between 0.95 B(0,0) and 1.05 B(0,0)
Seems mostly cylindrical, which is the whole goal of the Helmholtz Coil arrangement.

Do you have access to COMSOL or other simulation software? You could probably extract the field data between those limits and plot it to see how much it deviates from a cylinder.
 
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berkeman said:
Seems mostly cylindrical, which is the whole goal of the Helmholtz Coil arrangement.

Do you have access to COMSOL or other simulation software? You could probably extract the field data between those limits and plot it to see how much it deviates from a cylinder.
Cylindrical? Are you sure it's not cuboidal?
 
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How could a field generated by cylindrical coils be cubical?
 
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berkeman said:
How could a field generated by cylindrical coils be cubical?
Because I wasn't visualising correctly, are you sure it's not a slightly elongated sphere?
berkeman said:
How could a field generated by cylindrical coils be cubical?
So it's a cylinder with 4 webbed tentacles around it?
 
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Sebobo said:
So it's a cylinder with 4 webbed tentacles around it?
No, it is cylindrically symmetric. You are just getting fooled by the fact that the side view slice looks like it has 4 of something. But if you mentally rotate the coils along their axis, the slice image does not change. Does that help?
 
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1. What is a Helmholtz pair?

A Helmholtz pair refers to a configuration of two identical circular coils placed in parallel and separated by a distance equal to the radius of the coils. This setup is commonly used to create a uniform magnetic field in a specific region.

2. How does a Helmholtz pair produce a magnetic field in 3D?

By passing an electric current through the coils in opposite directions, the magnetic fields created by each coil cancel each other out in all directions except along the central axis of the coils. This results in a uniform magnetic field in the center of the coils.

3. What is the advantage of using a Helmholtz pair for creating a magnetic field?

The main advantage of a Helmholtz pair is that it produces a more uniform magnetic field compared to a single coil. This is useful for experiments or applications that require a precise and consistent magnetic field.

4. What are some applications of a Helmholtz pair?

Helmholtz pairs are commonly used in scientific research, such as in magnetic resonance imaging (MRI) machines and particle accelerators. They are also used in industrial settings for tasks such as magnetizing materials and testing electronic components.

5. Are there any limitations to using a Helmholtz pair for creating a magnetic field?

One limitation is that the magnetic field produced by a Helmholtz pair is only uniform in a specific region between the coils. Outside of this region, the field may not be as uniform. Additionally, the strength of the magnetic field is limited by the size and distance between the coils, so larger and more powerful fields may require different configurations.

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