Higher order terms in perturbation theory (QFT)

In summary: Leading order is more accurate than the first few terms in the expansion, more physically accurate, and more reliable. Sometimes.
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Frank Castle
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I'm fairly new to QFT and I'm currently trying to understand perturbation theory on this context.
As I understand it, when one does a perturbative expansion of the S-matrix and subsequently calculates the transition amplitude between two asymptotic states, each order in the perturbative calculation simply provides corrections to the leading order contribution, taking into account all the possible interactions that can take place in between the initial and final states. Provided that, as the order increases, the contributions become more and more suppressed relative the the leading order term, them we can trust our perturbative calculation and furthermore the first few terms in the expansion provide a good approximation to the true value of the transition amplitude.

First of all, is what I wrote in the previous paragraph the correct intuition for what's "going on"?!

Secondly, do the higher order contributions correspond to anything physical other than describing all the possible intermediate interactions that can take place between an initial and final state? Do they correspond to more energetic interactions or is it simply analogous to perturbation theory in QM in that the higher order terms just serve as corrections to the leading order term due to the quantum nature of the system?

Apologies if this is a stupid question, just want to get a correct intuition for what's going on
 
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Frank Castle said:
As I understand it, when one does a perturbative expansion of the S-matrix and subsequently calculates the transition amplitude between two asymptotic states, each order in the perturbative calculation simply provides corrections to the leading order contribution, taking into account all the possible interactions that can take place in between the initial and final states. Provided that, as the order increases, the contributions become more and more suppressed relative the the leading order term, them we can trust our perturbative calculation and furthermore the first few terms in the expansion provide a good approximation to the true value of the transition amplitude.
Most of the time, yes.

If you look at differential cross sections, there are regions of the phase space that cannot happen at leading order, for example a net transverse momentum of the final state particles considered. The leading order does not provide a good approximation there, it will be completely wrong.
But most of the time leading order gives you some first approximation, next to leading order is more accurate, and so on.
Frank Castle said:
Secondly, do the higher order contributions correspond to anything physical other than describing all the possible intermediate interactions that can take place between an initial and final state?
How could it get more physical than that?

It is exactly perturbation theory.
 
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mfb said:
How could it get more physical than that?

Sorry, what I meant was that do higher order terms correspond to more energetic interactions or is the physical interpretation simply that they describe all possible intermediate interactions that can occur (exchange of gauge bosons, virtual particle-antiparticle loops, etc.) inbetween the initial and final states, and their inclusion simple serves to provide a more accurate description of the physical process?!

Can one interpret the leading order term as the "classical" interaction (that may or may not be physically possible classically due to conservation of energy and momentum), and then higher order terms correspond to quantum corrections (or "radiative" corrections) which take into account interactions (that wouldn't occur classically) that can occur due to the quantum mechanical nature of the system?
 
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Some higher orders (e. g. involving heavy particles) only become relevant at higher energies, but in general they are not related to the energy scale of the process.
Frank Castle said:
Can one interpret the leading order term as the "classical" interaction (that may or may not be physically possible classically due to conservation of energy and momentum), and then higher order terms correspond to quantum corrections (or "radiative" corrections) which take into account interactions (that wouldn't occur classically) that can occur due to the quantum mechanical nature of the system?
Sometimes.
 
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mfb said:
Some higher orders (e. g. involving heavy particles) only become relevant at higher energies, but in general they are not related to the energy scale of the process.

Ah ok, so they simply correspond to corrections to lower order terms, and physically to the possible intermediate interactions that can take place in between the initial and final states. (Sorry to go on about this point, but I just want to check that I've understood this correctly).

Is the philosophy that we wish to mathematically model an interaction by assuming that it results from a small perturbation of the "free" (i.e. no interactions) case. Given this, one then formally expands in terms of some coupling constant, with the assumption that as the order increases the contribution becomes more and more suppressed, such that one can reasonably approximate the interaction by calculating the first few terms in the expansion?!
mfb said:
Sometimes.

When is this interpretation reasonable?
 
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Frank Castle said:
Ah ok, so they simply correspond to corrections to lower order terms, and physically to the possible intermediate interactions that can take place in between the initial and final states.
Right.
Frank Castle said:
Is the philosophy that we wish to mathematically model an interaction by assuming that it results from a small perturbation of the "free" (i.e. no interactions) case.
I'm not sure if we "wish" that. It is the most accurate method we have to make calculations (if the coupling constant is small).
Frank Castle said:
Given this, one then formally expands in terms of some coupling constant, with the assumption that as the order increases the contribution becomes more and more suppressed, such that one can reasonably approximate the interaction by calculating the first few terms in the expansion?!
Yes. That only works if the coupling constant is small, of course.
Frank Castle said:
When is this interpretation reasonable?
The Rydberg energies in atoms are the result of the 1/r potential, higher orders lead to the fine structure, for example.
 
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mfb said:
Right.I'm not sure if we "wish" that. It is the most accurate method we have to make calculations (if the coupling constant is small).Yes. That only works if the coupling constant is small, of course.The Rydberg energies in atoms are the result of the 1/r potential, higher orders lead to the fine structure, for example.

Ok, I think I understand a bit better now.
Thanks for your help.

So, in the case where the coupling isn't small, the perturbation isn't small since higher order terms aren't sufficiently suppressed with respect to leading order terms and hence the approximation breaks down. Is this what is meant by an interaction being non-perturbative, i.e. one cannot approximate by a perturbative expansion of the S-matrix?! Are there are reasons why a theory can be non-perturbative other than the coupling constant being large?
 
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Frank Castle said:
So, in the case where the coupling isn't small, the perturbation isn't small since higher order terms aren't sufficiently suppressed with respect to leading order terms and hence the approximation breaks down. Is this what is meant by an interaction being non-perturbative, i.e. one cannot approximate by a perturbative expansion of the S-matrix?!
Right.
Frank Castle said:
Are there are reasons why a theory can be non-perturbative other than the coupling constant being large?
Not to my knowledge.

Without practical relevance, but interesting in terms of mathematics: the pertubative series in terms of Feynman diagrams is not convergent. After many orders, the number of diagrams grows too fast, and increasing orders lead to larger contributions instead of smaller ones. But we are far away from the point where this would become relevant.
 
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mfb said:
Right.Not to my knowledge.

Without practical relevance, but interesting in terms of mathematics: the pertubative series in terms of Feynman diagrams is not convergent. After many orders, the number of diagrams grows too fast, and increasing orders lead to larger contributions instead of smaller ones. But we are far away from the point where this would become relevant.

Ok cool, thanks for the insights!

On a slight tangent (perhaps I should put this in a separate question), what is the reasoning behind requiring that free-field Lagrangians are at most quadratic in the fields? Is it simply because this ensures that the EOM for the field are linear and hence the solutions satisfy the superposition principle implying (at least in the classical) sense, that wavepackets do not interfere with one another as they propagate past one another, i.e. they are free-fields?!

Furthermore, what is the motivation for including the term ##\frac{1}{2}m^{2}\phi^{2}## in the free-field case? I get that the parameter ##m## is attributed to the mass of the field a posteriori, but is the reason for the inclusion of such a term in the first place? Is it simply because a priori there is no reason not to - one should include all possible terms up to quadratic order?! Or is there also some physical motivation as well, in that from quantum mechanics, the wave function of a relativistic particle (of mass ##m##) should satisfy the Klein-Gordon equation?!
 
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Ask different questions in a new thread, please.
Frank Castle said:
Is it simply because a priori there is no reason not to - one should include all possible terms up to quadratic order?!
In general we should include them, and remove them if they turn out to be non-existent (i. e. m=0) or violate gauge invariance (gauge bosons).
 

1. What are higher order terms in perturbation theory and why are they important?

Higher order terms in perturbation theory refer to corrections to the basic equations that are used to describe physical systems. In quantum field theory, these corrections arise from interactions between particles. They are important because they provide a more accurate description of the behavior of particles and how they interact with each other.

2. How are higher order terms calculated in perturbation theory?

Higher order terms are calculated using a mathematical technique called perturbation theory. This involves expanding the equations of motion in a series of terms, with each term representing a different level of interaction between particles. The higher order terms are then obtained by calculating higher order terms in this series.

3. How do higher order terms affect the predictions of perturbation theory?

Higher order terms can affect the predictions of perturbation theory by making them more accurate. As the number of terms in the perturbation series increases, the predictions become closer to the true values. However, if the terms become too large, the series may not converge and the predictions will become less accurate.

4. Can higher order terms be ignored in perturbation theory?

In some cases, higher order terms in perturbation theory can be ignored without significantly affecting the accuracy of the predictions. This is because the terms become smaller and smaller as the order increases, and can eventually be considered negligible. However, in other cases, ignoring higher order terms can lead to significant errors in the predictions.

5. Are there any limitations to using perturbation theory with higher order terms?

Yes, there are limitations to using perturbation theory with higher order terms. As mentioned before, if the terms become too large, the series may not converge and the predictions will become less accurate. Additionally, perturbation theory may not be applicable in cases where there is strong coupling between particles, as the higher order terms may not converge. In these cases, other methods must be used to make accurate predictions.

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