Important to know what is myth and propaganda

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In summary, the conversation discusses the importance of understanding the real physics behind events such as human movement in a low gravity environment. It is suggested that the videos of the Apollo moon landings may not accurately depict the realistic way a human would walk on the moon due to factors such as friction and the incline of the body. The conversation also mentions the use of math and physics to estimate the height a person could jump on the moon.
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To learn the real physics, you need to know what is myth and propaganda. For example, How high can you jump on the moon? Understanding Physics, we can estimate the height and the friction to the boot against the ground. Having the correct Physics, you can tell which one Hollywood like the movie is v.s. The realistic way the astronaut walks on the moon.
 
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Gil Lee said:
To learn the real physics, you need to know what is myth and propaganda. For example, How high can you jump on the moon? Understanding Physics, we can estimate the height and the friction to the boot against the ground. Having the correct Physics, you can tell which one Hollywood like the movie is v.s. The realistic way the astronaut walks on the moon.
Welcome to the PF. :smile:

Did you have a question?
 
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berkeman said:
Welcome to the PF. :smile:

Did you have a question?
Yes. Do you believe the Apollo video shows the realistic way of human walking on the 1/6 gravity vacuum environment?
 
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Do you think a tree looks like a realistic tree?
The videos show humans walking in a 1/6 gravity vacuum environment with heavy suits (the vacuum is irrelevant, apart from making space suits necessary). It can't be more realistic than that.
 
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Gil Lee said:
Yes. Do you believe the Apollo video shows the realistic way of human walking on the 1/6 gravity vacuum environment?
Are you suggesting there is some problem with the videos of the moon landings and excursions?

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Gil Lee said:
For example, How high can you jump on the moon?
What research have you done and what math/physics do you know? You can construct relatively simple scenarios and come up with a serviceable answer. Some structure, research direction to get you going:

1. What is the mass of a typical astronaut?
2. What is the mass of a lunar spacesuit?
3. What is the average force your legs can apply in a rapid leg-press (jump)?
4. What is the distance of a leg press?
5. What is force times distance? (both the relevant name and the answer to the suggested problem)
6. What type of energy do you have at the top of your jump? What's the equation?
7. Set the two equations equal to each other and solve for height.
 
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Do you think a tree looks like a realistic tree?
The videos show humans walking in a 1/6 gravity vacuum environment with heavy suits (the vacuum is irrelevant, apart from making space suits necessary). It can't be more realistic than that.
When the gravity is 1/6, that means the friction between boot and the ground will be about 1/6. The walker feels it is very slippery. Do you know how to walk on the slippery surface? Like cheetah put their center of gravity much forward than the rear legs which are the thrust, you need to incline the human body forward before you start walking or running. When you stop, you need to incline your body backward to reduce the speed just like the man walking on ice. Think about it. Nasa's contracted out to Ph.D. to make the simulator and the video looks totally different from Apollo video.
 
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russ_watters said:
What research have you done and what math/physics do you know? You can construct relatively simple scenarios and come up with a serviceable answer. Some structure, research direction to get you going:

1. What is the mass of a typical astronaut?
2. What is the mass of a lunar spacesuit?
3. What is the average force your legs can apply in a rapid leg-press (jump)?
4. What is the distance of a leg press?
5. What is force times distance? (both the relevant name and the answer to the suggested problem)
6. What type of energy do you have at the top of your jump? What's the equation?
7. Set the two equations equal to each other and solve for height.
We have most of the parameter. Nasa said the astronaut weight is about 80lb, and the suit is 80 lb. The astronaut can jump up about one foot on the earth. Using the same muscle, how high can he jump up at 1/6 gravity? Mass is same on the moon, but the weight that counter the muscle is 1/6/
 
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Gil Lee said:
When the gravity is 1/6, that means the friction between boot and the ground will be about 1/6. The walker feels it is very slippery. Do you know how to walk on the slippery surface? Like cheetah put their center of gravity much forward than the rear legs which are the thrust, you need to incline the human body forward before you start walking or running. When you stop, you need to incline your body backward to reduce the speed just like the man walking on ice. Think about it. Nasa's contracted out to Ph.D. to make the simulator and the video looks totally different from Apollo video.
This does not make any sense. Friction is also dependent on the material, and here we talk about sand. If your argument was true, and it is not, then kiddies couldn't walk on the beach, which is definitely wrong.
 
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Gil Lee said:
We have most of the parameter. Nasa said the astronaut weight is about 80lb, and the suit is 80 lb.
Neither of those are correct according to common sense and a 5 second Google. Please do better.
The astronaut can jump up about one foot on the earth. Using the same muscle, how high can he jump up at 1/6 gravity?
I gave you an approach to follow. We can help, but we don't spoon feed. This isn't an answer desk it is an educational forum. Make an effort and if you have specific issues following the approach, ask specific questions.
 
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Gil Lee said:
Think about it. Nasa's contracted out to Ph.D. to make the simulator and the video looks totally different from Apollo video.
Queue the music...
 
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russ_watters said:
Neither of those are correct according to common sense and a 5 second Google. Please do better.

I gave you an approach to follow. We can help, but we don't spoon feed. This isn't an answer desk it is an educational forum. Make an effort and if you have specific issues following the approach, ask specific questions.
You have an approach that seems to be wrong. Guess what. I calculated that astronaut can jump up at least 6 feet on the moon surface. Noen of them jumps that high in Apollo video.
 
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This was enough of misinformation, derailed topics and moon landing conspiracy. I had to remove some of them, because they had been below the standards we try to achieve and were against our rules (see section Moon landing hoax conspiracy theories).

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1. What is the difference between myth and propaganda?

Myths are traditional stories that explain the beliefs and values of a culture, often involving supernatural or heroic elements. Propaganda, on the other hand, is a form of communication that is used to influence people's opinions and behaviors, often through misleading or biased information.

2. How can we differentiate between myth and propaganda?

One way to differentiate between myth and propaganda is to consider the source and intention behind the information. Myths are often passed down through generations and are not created with a specific agenda, while propaganda is intentionally created and distributed by individuals or groups to promote a certain viewpoint.

3. Why is it important to know the difference between myth and propaganda?

It is important to know the difference between myth and propaganda because they can both shape our beliefs and perceptions of the world. Being able to recognize when information is based on traditional stories or is being used to manipulate us can help us make more informed decisions and avoid being influenced by false or biased information.

4. How does the media contribute to the spread of myth and propaganda?

The media can contribute to the spread of myth and propaganda by presenting information in a biased or sensationalized way, or by promoting certain beliefs or values through storytelling and visual elements. In some cases, the media may also be used as a tool to intentionally spread propaganda.

5. What can we do to protect ourselves from being influenced by myth and propaganda?

To protect ourselves from being influenced by myth and propaganda, it is important to critically evaluate the information we receive and seek out multiple perspectives. We can also fact-check information and be aware of our own biases and how they may impact our interpretation of information. Additionally, being aware of the techniques used in propaganda and recognizing patterns can help us identify and avoid being influenced by it.

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