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I don't agree with banning incandescents. Energy inefficiency doesn't hurt anyone by itself, it's the pollution from the power plant that does. The government should regulate that, not ban specific technologies.
It was done because of lobbying by *green* environmental groups.Opus_723 said:I don't agree with banning incandescents. Energy inefficiency doesn't hurt anyone by itself, it's the pollution from the power plant that does. The government should regulate that, not ban specific technologies.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zvl961uDoEgSen Paul said:I'm all for energy conservation. But [...] You come instead with fines, threats of jail, you put people out of business ... This is what your energy efficiency standards are. Call it what it is.
Yep. Lower wattage and less light will work. But I'm still in favor of CFLs even with their drawbacks.Opus_723 said:... I should point out that it's not technically a ban. It simply requires an improvement in efficiency that most incandescents can't achieve. Some can. ...
Also, while I'm opposed to the law, I should point out that it's not technically a ban.
dlgoff said:Yep. Lower wattage and less light will work. But I'm still in favor of CFLs even with their drawbacks.
Same is true for incandescents. And everything else.GODISMYSHADOW said:The CFLs don't always last [...] like it says on the package...
Was this post prompted by the thread asking how many forum members does it take to change a light bulb?mheslep said:Same is true for incandescents. And everything else.
Eh? No, but I'd love to see that thread?Evo said:Was this post prompted by the thread asking how many forum members does it take to change a light bulb?
Oooh, I think this deserves a write up in the "Flukey or Spooky" thread in S&D!mheslep said:Eh? No, but I'd love to see that thread?
Edit: Har, found it.
https://www.physicsforums.com/showthread.php?t=25663&highlight=forum+members+change+light+bulb?
As this thread is aged I'm guilty of the last one in the list (at least)
I suspect the market is being flooded with the cheapest chinese clones.
mheslep said:Same is true for incandescents. And everything else.
I wouldn't say I've seen many not "lasting". Their lifespans are supposed to be on the order of 10,000 hours, so if they burn out before a year, they are just plain duds. And I've had an unreasonably high fraction of duds -- 20-30% would be my guess.Proton Soup said:this has not been my experience. CFLs have been much worse.
DoggerDan said:When I switched to CFLs a few years ago, most were horrible! The hues themselves made me feel sick to the pit of my stomach, and I switched back.
More recently, I tried them again, and was happy to find some brands and selections that are nearly indistinguishable from my incandescent bulbs. The only locations I'm still using incandescent bulbs are the spots in my kitchen, a flood in my dining room, and another flood in the entrance way.
There are CFL spots/floods, but I'm not enjoying the colors available. Hopefully, improvements are around the corner.
A sign of the times, that lightbulb bill was pushed through by environmental groups, who seem to have lost their power now.IMP said:This may have just been overturned:
http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2011/dec/16/congress-overturns-incandescent-light-bulb-ban/
Banning cheap incandescent bulbs doesn't make much sense, imo, unless one factors in the interests of the giant manufacturers. Then it makes sense, imo.CAC1001 said:I have read (although I have no proof at the moment) that the environmentalists were not the only ones that wanted to kill the conventional incandescent, but the big lightbulb companies such as GE and Phillips. Apparently, they lobbied heaivly for increasing the lightbulb standards so that they could make more profit, as the conventional incandescents are so cheap, that the profit margins on them are very slim.
What gets me are the folks (and the companies and manufacturing groups) criticizing the delay in eforcement, claiming it is "taking away" more efficient bulbs from consumers and that the American people want the more efficient bulbs...!? If that's the case, then why are the new regulations needed at all? If there is truly demand and desire for the more costly, but (supposedly) more efficient bulbs, then no regulations would be needed at all, people would just buy them.
That's good for GE, but bad for America, imho.edward said:G.E. has already closed down operations here and moved their CFL production to China.
http://articles.businessinsider.com/2009-08-28/green_sheet/30003252_1_compact-fluorescent-bulbs-mercury-plant