Interview: U.S., Russia still face mutual destruction threat

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In summary, during an interview with UPI Senior News Analyst Martin Sieff, Australian physician and Nobel Peace Prize winner Helen Caldicott expressed her concerns about the militarization of space by the United States. She stated that the New York Times had reported that the U.S. Air Force was seeking approval from President George W. Bush for new weapons to secure the country from space attacks, which aligns with predictions made at a recent conference on the weaponization of space. Caldicott also mentioned that Russia and China have stated they will counter any U.S. missile-defense system with more nuclear weapons if the United States puts weapons into space. She discussed the vulnerability of U.S. military satellites and the potential consequences of a nuclear weapon being deton
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Interview: U.S., Russia still face mutual destruction threat
By Martin Sieff
UPI Senior News Analyst
Published May 18, 2005


WASHINGTON -- Helen Caldicott is an Australian physician who won the Nobel Peace Prize in 1985 and is the president of the Nuclear Policy Research Institute based in Washington. She spoke with UPI National Security Correspondent Martin Sieff.

Q. The New York Times reported Wednesday that the U.S. Air Force is seeking approval from President George W. Bush for new weapons to secure the United States from attack from space. As a prominent opponent to the militarization of space, what is your response to that news?


A. Everything that was predicted at our conference this week on the weaponization of space in Airlie, Virginia, is already coming true. It seems as if the Bush administration and the Air Force are going to go ahead with everything that was said at our conference on the weaponization of space that was most alarming. This issue was under the radar of public opinion for a long time, but it is now coming into view.

Russia and China have both said for some years that if the United States puts weapons into space they will super-saturate any and all U.S. anti-ballistic missile systems and space-based weapons by building thousands more nuclear weapons each to counter any U.S. missile-defense system.

Q. The United States is the dominant space-faring nation with more military satellites in orbit than every other nation combined. How difficult would it be to disrupt or destroy U.S. space-based systems?

A. Any nation. Military satellites are very vulnerable. As we learned at our conference the easiest way to paralyze the entire U.S. space satellite system in low Earth orbit is by detonating a nuclear weapon at that level above the Earth to produce radiation in the belt where the satellites orbit. The satellites built to function for 10 years will then all die a slow death over just a few weeks as they pass through the most irradiated areas.

And if you detonate a single nuclear weapon in the upper atmosphere you will produce an electric magnetic pulse, or EMP. One nuclear weapon detonated in near space would therefore melt down the entire electronic communications network of the United States.

This would of course ruin the U.S. economy and utterly disrupt society across the country. But it would have even more grave consequences. There are 103 nuclear power plants across the United States. They all rely on external electricity supply that powers their water-coolant systems. If these were all knocked out, you would run the risk of more than 100 Chernobyl-scale nuclear core meltdowns across the United States.

All the power plants have their own back-up generators, of course, but they would all need time crank up and too often their testing and maintenance has been neglected because they so seldom, if ever, have had to be used in the past, and some of them don't work when they're supposed to. Therefore there would indeed be a real risk of many Chernobyls all over the place. Thus a single EMP detonation in space aimed against U.S. military space-based assets could produce a truly cataclysmic outcome, and it would be very easy to do.

Q. Does the United States have any plans to put nuclear weapons or nuclear power systems into space?

A. There are also serious plans being discussed to make nuclear reactors that will function in space to eventually power U.S. space ships to other worlds in the Solar System. Already a new plutonium-producing nuclear facility is being set up in Idaho, and the plutonium nuclear fuel that is being produced there is not even the regular plyutonum-239 but the far more toxic plutonium-238.

There are discussions well under way to eventually make a nuclear spaceship called Prometheus that could get people out to planetary destinations like Mars far more quickly.

Q. The Cold War has been over for almost a decade and a half. How serious is the threat of mutually assured destruction between the United States and Russia today?

A. Russia still has 2,500 nuclear weapons and the United States has 5,000. There are only 240 major cities in the entire Northern Hemisphere. The Federal Emergency Management Agency has concluded that 40 nuclear weapons are targeted on New York City alone. There are probably 50 or 60 of them targeted on Washington, D.C. Every city and town in the United States is targeted with at least one H-bomb or thermonuclear weapon. And the Russians build really big H-bombs.

Q. But surely, the Russian radar tracking and space-based surveillance networks keep them informed that the United States is not contemplating any surprise attack upon them?

A. None of the Russian early-warning satellites work. Therefore the Russians are acutely worried that the United States doctrine of pre-emptive war is a real threat to them and it makes them very paranoid, because their satellites to provide them with better warning just do not work.

Most Americans do not realize that the Russian nuclear system is already on hair-trigger alert, and even worse, the Russian early-warning system is in a dangerous state of decay. (Veteran U.S. arms negotiator) Ambassador Thomas Graham has said that we are already in a white-knuckle situation over this. And Professor Steven Weinberg, who won the Nobel Prize for Physics, told our conference on Tuesday that the thing that scared him the most was that nobody else was scared, and they all ought to be.

Q. Have there been any near misses that ran the risk of triggering all-out nuclear war since the disintegration of the Soviet Union?

A. The United States and the world came far closer to total nuclear catastrophe in 1995 than anyone seems to remember or realize, even though it was documented and reported in The New York Times. Norway launched a missile near a U.S. Trident submarine deployment. The Kremlin had been notified in advance that the missile would be fired, but just forgot the warning. The Russian radar picked up the Norwegian launch and concluded that they were under attack from a U.S. strategic nuclear missile submarine.

For the first time in history, Russian President Boris Yeltsin opened the "football," the suitcase containing the Russian nuclear launch codes, and he had three minutes to decide whether to authorize an all-out Russian nuclear response. Only 10 seconds before the three minutes ran out, the Norwegian missile veered off course and this was reported to Yeltsin. There had even been a general at his elbow urging a full retaliatory strike. America was just 10 seconds from annihilation. This story was reported on the back page of the New York Times when it should have been on the front page.

Q. Was this a freak scenario that could never happen again?

A. This could certainly happen again. A retired senior Russian military officer said to me recently, "Helen, we're so worried we could blow you up by mistake." And there are other dire possibilities. The Russians have to deal with terrorists and extremists who could conceivably seize control of a missile-command center.

Q. What kind of priority should we therefore give reducing potential nuclear tensions between the United States and other nations, especially Russia?

A. This is the most urgent issue facing the human race. If America ever launched its 5,000 nuclear missiles and Russia its 2,500 nuclear missiles it would probably be enough to create a nuclear winter or "dark fall." So much dust, smoke, debris and burned carbon material would be thrown into the atmosphere that plants would be unable to carry out photosynthesis. Most species of life would slowly freeze to death in the dark.

Q. You paint a horrifying scenario. Why do we not see more discussion about this?

A. What alarms me most of all is that nobody is talking any more about all this. The new reports on Wednesday about the latest plans for space militarization will dangerously escalate tensions with Russia and China.

President Bush won re-election by running on what he called the moral issues like banning abortion and gay marriage. But the real moral issue for all people and all religions is whether creation itself will continue to survive, and the possibility that total catastrophe could happen is not low.

Q. Why are U.S., Russian and other leaders not grappling with this issue more seriously?

A. Each side refuses to share its secrets with the other. The thinking of everyone still appears to be in the pre-World War I mode. That was what Einstein warned against. He said the creation of nuclear weapons changed everything. Thus we drift towards the precipice. Indeed, I would say now we are galloping toward it.
http://www.wpherald.com/storyview.php?StoryID=20050518-072100-9737r
 
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This would of course ruin the U.S. economy and utterly disrupt society across the country. But it would have even more grave consequences. There are 103 nuclear power plants across the United States. They all rely on external electricity supply that powers their water-coolant systems. If these were all knocked out, you would run the risk of more than 100 Chernobyl-scale nuclear core meltdowns across the United States.
She's talking utter nonsense. She doesn't know what she's talking about regarding nuclear power plants. The interview is very alarmist and she doesn't seem to be aware that the cold war ended - ie, she doesn't mention the significance of the fact that the US and USSR agreed to a vast reduction in their nuclear stockpiles.

A google shows that the NPRI is a fringe special interest group intent on eradicating nuclear-everything: including nuclear power. Nutty.

Check out the website: http://www.nuclearpolicy.org/ She has an article on the costs (financial and environmental) of nuclear power. Its downright hilarious. One key argument is that nuclear power requires coal power for processing the fuel. Wait, want to run that by me again...? :uhh: And nuclear power requires fossil fuel for transporting materials, bulding the plants, etc. Wait, again -- fossil fuel doesn't? :rolleyes:
 
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They will die a slow and painful death! slooowly, slooowly, there melting, ohhhh what a world!
 
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She does have a point about EMP from nuclear bursts in the upper atmosphere. I don't know about the effect on nuclear power plants, but it would disable virtually all civilian communications, whether satellite or ground based. Commercial comm networks are designed based on cost/profit. There just aren't very many commercial users willing to pay for communications that would withstand a nuclear war (that would make for interesting long distance service commercials). Of course, that threat exists regardless of Bush's space policy - she doesn't really explain why the change in policy makes that scenario more likely.

She's also correct about nuclear power satellites. The US doesn't use nuclear power Earth-orbiting satellites because having radioactive satellite parts survive re-entry makes you unpopular (just ask Canada how much they liked the idea of a Russian nuclear powered satellite landing in their country). Interplanetary probes, and especially extra-solar system craft, are more likely to use nuclear fuel, since the amount of solar power you can generate decreases the further from the Sun you are. That's still no change in policy and I don't think the military is asking for approval to station nuclear weapons in space.

She's also correct about the topic of nuclear war having dropped much lower than the threat has. At the numbers the US and USSR had at their peak, the spirit expressed by nuclear weapons reductions is still more significant than the levels either side has reached. The ability to maintain good relations with Russia and China are probably the only serious threat of an ABM system. Russia and China also have to realize that the US isn't the only nuclear threat facing the world - Iran and North Korea also have to be considered emerging nuclear threats.

In any event, her emphasis is definitely from a nuclear weapons perspective and misses the real implications of expanding war into outer space. Space is already militarized and plays a significant part in current wars. The main thing the military is asking for is the ability to protect their own information and the ability to deny information to the enemy. Satellites happen to be the one of the key information tools in today's world, whether reconaissance satellites or navigation satellites to gather information or communications satellites to distribute information.
 
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I thought satellites orbit way the hell away from the earth? Like... fractions of the distance to the moon. Got any information about the pulse being a actual viable weapon?
 
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I thought satellites orbit way the hell away from the earth? Like... fractions of the distance to the moon. Got any information about the pulse being a actual viable weapon?
Satellites orbit at all kinds of different altitudes, depending on their mission. Geosynchronous satellites, like those used for satellite TV, orbit about 36,000 km (22,000 miles) above the Earth's surface, but the International Space Station only orbits about 350 km (220 miles) above the Earth (in fact, the ISS is visible from the ground - heavens-above can provide you times when it's visible).

http://www.fas.org/nuke/intro/nuke/emp.htm does a lot of damage to solid state circuitry, a little like a surge of lightning would. Considering how many things rely on electronic circuits, the results would be bad - even your car probably wouldn't work - but not as bad the results of the radioactive fallout. Plus, it's impossible to fry the enemy's electronics with an EMP without frying your own, so it's more of a bad side effect of a nuclear blast rather than an effective weapon.
 
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But can the pulse progate that far... for say, the ones that are very far out?
 
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I think EMP would only damage the low orbiting satellites, but the transmitters and receivers on the ground that communicate with the satellites (low or high) would be damaged unless they were protected from EMP.
 
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Why though? I mean we've tested a lot of nuclear weapons on the ground and in the atmosphere before and ... well.. was there problems?
 
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Yes. I think we only did one high altitude test back in 1963 and took out the phones in Hawaii or something similar. Once people realized what would happen, the US and USSR were quick to agree not to ever try that again.
 
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Didnt france do a lot of atmospheric testing?
 
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France lit off 193 a-bombs, 46 were atmospheric tests, and their last big bang was in 1996.

A few Algerians glow in the dark, but what the hell.

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Pengwuino said:
They will die a slow and painful death! slooowly, slooowly, there melting, ohhhh what a world!
They really do annoy me even while they entertain me.
Why though? I mean we've tested a lot of nuclear weapons on the ground and in the atmosphere before and ... well.. was there problems?
EMPs are line of sight and the atmosphere absorbs the pulse, so they need to be more or less directly above their targets.
 
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also i would imagine that an emp in space, would travel much further then on earth, because of the whole space vacuum thing and no air resistance pretty much, but I am not sure, just throwing out an idea
 
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There's a difference between atmospheric testing and high altitude testing. Detonated 50 meters above the ground, anything close enough to experience EMP would be vaporized by the blast. Detonated 250 miles above the center of the US, the entire lower 48 would be within the line of sight.

This http://www.fas.org/spp/starwars/congress/1997_h/h970716u.htm explains the effects of EMP and probably provides a better assessment of how many high altitude tests were conducted. Suffice it to say, both the US and USSR found high altitude testing to be a bad idea.

The primary effect I was thinking of was the Compton Effect.

A nuclear weapon detonated at high altitude releases some of its energy in the form of gamma rays. These gamma rays collide with air molecules and produce what are called Compton electrons. The Compton electrons, in turn, interact with the Earth's magnetic field, producing an intense electromagnetic pulse that propagates downward to the Earth's surface. The initial gamma rays and resultant EMP move with the speed of light. The effects encompass an area along the line of sight from the detonation to the Earth's horizon. Any system within view of the detonation will experience some level of EMP. For example, if a high-yield weapon were to be detonated 400 kilometers (250 miles) above the United States, nearly the entire contiguous 48 states would be within the line-of-sight. The frequency range of the pulse is enormously wide -- from below one hertz to one gigahertz. Peak electric fields can reach tens of thousands of volts per meter. All types of modern electronics are potentially at risk, from Boston to Los Angeles; from Chicago to New Orleans.

Evidently, there's some other effects that would affect even high altitude satellites (geos, etc).

When gamma and x-rays from a high altitude detonation encounter a satellite in space they excite and release electrons as they penetrate the interior of the system. This phenomena is referred to as system generated electromagnetic pulse (SGEMP) because the accelerated electrons create electromagnetic transients.

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The second threat comes from the weapon-produced electrons that enhance the Earth's natural Van Allen radiation belts. Satellites that repeatedly transit these enhanced radiation belts in their orbits will eventually exceed their total radiation dose tolerance and will degrade, then fail.
 

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The relationship between the U.S. and Russia is complex and often tense. While there have been efforts to improve relations over the years, both countries still have disagreements and conflicts of interest that contribute to a strained relationship.

2. What is the mutual destruction threat between the U.S. and Russia?

The mutual destruction threat refers to the potential for a nuclear war between the U.S. and Russia, which could result in catastrophic destruction for both countries. This threat has been a major concern since the Cold War era and continues to be a significant issue in international relations.

3. How is the mutual destruction threat being addressed by the U.S. and Russia?

The U.S. and Russia have taken steps to reduce the risk of mutual destruction through various treaties and agreements. These include arms control agreements such as the Strategic Arms Reduction Treaty (START) and the New START treaty, as well as confidence-building measures and diplomatic efforts.

4. What are the main obstacles to improving relations between the U.S. and Russia?

There are several obstacles to improving relations between the U.S. and Russia, including historical conflicts, differing ideologies and values, and competition for global power and influence. Recent events such as the conflict in Ukraine and allegations of Russian interference in U.S. elections have also contributed to tensions between the two countries.

5. What are the potential consequences if the U.S. and Russia do not address the mutual destruction threat?

If the U.S. and Russia do not address the mutual destruction threat, the consequences could be catastrophic. A nuclear war between these two countries could result in widespread destruction, loss of life, and long-term consequences for the global community. It is crucial for both nations to continue efforts to reduce tensions and address this threat.

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