Is it possible to build a mirror array with adjustable focal length?

In summary: For defense against things that fly in a predictable pattern (like satellites), it might be feasible.
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Urvabara
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Is it possible to build a large mirror array (around 10 km²) with adjustable focal length (from 10 meters to around 400 kilometers)?
 
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Urvabara said:
Is it possible to build a large mirror array (around 10 km²) with adjustable focal length (from 10 meters to around 400 kilometers)?

What's the application? Summer daytime missle defense?
 
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berkeman said:
What's the application? Summer daytime missle defense?

According to Wikipedia, the Earth receives an average of 680 W/m^2 of power from the sun. If you had a 10 km^2 array, had that average power, and could redirect 100 % of the power with no losses, you'd have 6.8 GW--forget starting fires, you could probably slag an aircraft carrier battle group with that! :bugeye:

Back on topic, however... To the OP, have you heard of concentrated solar power?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Concentrated_solar_power

EDIT: Hmmm, after some back of the envelope calculations using the Wikipedia page on iron, and the HowStuffWorks page on aircraft carriers...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iron
http://science.howstuffworks.com/aircraft-carrier2.htm

  • Nimitz Class aircraft carrier has 54,000 metric tons of structural steel (assume to be all iron)
  • molar mass of iron: 26 g / mol
  • heat of fusion for iron: 13.8 kJ / mol
  • melting point of iron: 1538 °C
  • specific heat capacity of iron: 25.1 J / (mol * K)

To slag (completely melt) the iron at the melting point, you'd need to put in 28.7 x 10^12 J of energy. With the aforementioned 6.8 GW death ray, that'd take about 1.17 hours to do (assuming no losses):
http://www.google.ca/search?q=54000...s+*+(mol+/+26+g)+*+(13.8+kJ+/+mol)+/+(6.8E9+W)

However, since you'd also need to heating it up to the melting point (and by then, the softening of the metal would probably destroy the ship anyway), a difference of, let's say 1500 K, you'd need 78.2 x 10^12 J of energy. About 3 hours to do the deed (assuming no losses):
http://www.google.ca/search?q=54000...+g)+*+(25.1+J+/+(mol+*+K))+*+1500+K+/+(6.8+GW)

So you might still be able to slag an aircraft carrier, but it'll probably take a while.
 
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berkeman said:
What's the application? Summer daytime missle defense?

Top secret.
 
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MATLABdude said:
According to Wikipedia, the Earth receives an average of 680 W/m^2 of power from the sun. If you had a 10 km^2 array, had that average power, and could redirect 100 % of the power with no losses, you'd have 6.8 GW--forget starting fires, you could probably slag an aircraft carrier battle group with that! :bugeye:

Yes. "I" want to do things which need lots of power. "I" cannot do them without powers in the gigawatt range.

MATLABdude said:
Back on topic, however... To the OP, have you heard of concentrated solar power?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Concentrated_solar_power

Yes, I have, but I haven't figured out, if it is easy or even plausible to adjust the focal length of that huge mirror array from a meter range to a hundred kilometers range. So, is it?
 
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Urvabara said:
Yes. "I" want to do things which need lots of power. "I" cannot do them without powers in the gigawatt range.
Yes, I have, but I haven't figured out, if it is easy or even plausible to adjust the focal length of that huge mirror array from a meter range to a hundred kilometers range. So, is it?

Who's "I"? Is he/she a nefarious Blofeld-esque super villain? :-p (Just kidding!)

I'd think you can probably have some amount of variability with a heliostat design. Not sure if you can actually obtain a very good focus at the far end of the distance scale, however.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heliostat
 
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MATLABdude said:
Who's "I"? Is he/she a nefarious Blofeld-esque super villain? :-p (Just kidding!)

It's a top secret project and the status and description of the project are classified.

MATLABdude said:
I'd think you can probably have some amount of variability with a heliostat design. Not sure if you can actually obtain a very good focus at the far end of the distance scale, however.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heliostat

Thanks! Seems interesting...
 
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Urvabara said:
It's a top secret project and the status and description of the project are classified.

Well it's not top secret anymore. You just posted about it on the Internet. :-p

There goes your TS clearance :redface:
 
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The application is clearly a solar driven rocket. Much like laser propulsion, but with mirrors.
Sure, let's say each individual mirror in your array is flat, and 1m^2. As long as your desired spot size is 1m^2 or larger, you could in theory steer each mirror to point the sunlight incident on it to the rocket, giving you a crude controllable variable focal length. Obviously, there are many practical problems that need to be solved to actually make this.
 
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More importantly- it wouldn't work for missile, aircraft, or boat missile defense because you could just fly around it!
 
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Actually...you would only have to heat a carrier group beyond what the inhabitants can survive.

160 degrees should be enough to defeat current habitation space cooling.
 
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You couldn't aim the mirror array at an aircraft carrier anyway, carriers stay hudreds of miles off the coast (beyond the horizon).

This is ridiculous as an idea for a weapon since it's stationary and easily avoided.
 
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Mech_Engineer said:
You couldn't aim the mirror array at an aircraft carrier anyway, carriers stay hudreds of miles off the coast (beyond the horizon).

This is ridiculous as an idea for a weapon since it's stationary and easily avoided.

Well, I initially introduced the idea just because Archimedes established "ship death-ray" as the gold standard in things involving the sun and mirrors! :wink:

As per the Tim Taylor philosophy!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DewDqsszXi8
 
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Urvabara said:
Yes. "I" want to do things which need lots of power. "I" cannot do them without powers in the gigawatt range.

1.21 gigawatts by any chance? :biggrin:

[PLAIN]http://abduzeedo.com/files/posts/back-future/back-future-6.jpg
 
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berkeman said:
What's the application? Summer daytime missle defense?

:) This response Soooooo made me laugh. I think the units were misinterpreted.
 

Related to Is it possible to build a mirror array with adjustable focal length?

What is a mirror array with adjustable focal length?

A mirror array with adjustable focal length is a system of multiple mirrors that can be manipulated to change the overall focal length. This allows for a more versatile and adaptable optical system.

What are the potential applications of a mirror array with adjustable focal length?

A mirror array with adjustable focal length has a wide range of potential applications, including in telescopes, cameras, and other optical instruments. It can also be used in laser systems for beam shaping and focusing.

How would a mirror array with adjustable focal length be constructed?

A mirror array with adjustable focal length would be constructed by arranging a series of mirrors in a specific pattern, often with some type of mechanical or electronic control mechanism to adjust the angles of the mirrors.

What are the advantages of using a mirror array with adjustable focal length?

One of the main advantages of a mirror array with adjustable focal length is its flexibility and versatility. It allows for a wider range of focal lengths, and can be easily adjusted to adapt to different imaging or focusing needs.

Are there any limitations to building a mirror array with adjustable focal length?

There are some limitations to building a mirror array with adjustable focal length. The complexity of the design and the need for precise control mechanisms can make it more challenging and expensive to construct compared to a single mirror system. Additionally, the overall performance of the system may be affected by the quality and alignment of the individual mirrors.

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