Is Lorentz invariance is true in curved spacetime?

In summary, the conversation discusses the concept of Lorentz invariance in the context of quantum physics and general relativity. It is explained that Lorentz invariance is still locally true in curved space, as the metric around any given point is close to the Minkowski metric. The conversation also touches on the use of tensor fields in general relativity and the complexity of expressing Lorentz invariance in general coordinates.
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Hello,
I am re-reading a book about quantum physics and general relativity. To introduce representation of the lorentz group, they explain the definition of lorentz group as the group of transformation that let x² + y² ... -t² unchanged.
But in cuved space the distance is not the same as in minkowsky space, it's the integral of the metric * dx. Is the lorentz invariance still aviable ? and the related decomposition ?
 
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kroni said:
Hello,
I am re-reading a book about quantum physics and general relativity. To introduce representation of the lorentz group, they explain the definition of lorentz group as the group of transformation that let x² + y² ... -t² unchanged.
But in curved space the distance is not the same as in minkowsky space, it's the integral of the metric * dx. Is the lorentz invariance still aviable ? and the related decomposition ?

Lorentz invariance is still locally true - the metric around any given point is arbitrarily close to the Minkowski metric within a sufficiently small area around that point.
 
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Another way of putting it is that there's a tangent space at each point. Things like momentum vectors live in the tangent space. This paper is also nice: Nowik and Katz, Differential geometry via infinitesimal displacements, http://arxiv.org/abs/1405.0984
 
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Curved space-time is locally Minkowski and so there is a local lorentz group among the group of coordinate diffeomorphisms leaving an event point invariant. There is local Lorentz invariance etc. This is why in GR you work with Tensor *fields*. (tensor valued functions of position. (tensors being more general representations of the local orthogonal group, i.e. the Lorentz group))

As you noted, the local Lorentz group leaves the differential quantity [itex] ds^2=dx^2 + dy^2 + dz^2 -dt^2[/itex] unchanged... that is provided your coordinates are orthonormal with respect to the local space-time geometry. To be more general we express this invariant as a quadratic form of the differentials in whatever coordinates you are using and the quadratic form coefficients are the components of your metric tensor.

As you can imagine the math gets a bit hairier to express all this in general.
 
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Tanks for your answer ! I under stand it !
 

1. What is Lorentz invariance?

Lorentz invariance is a fundamental principle in physics that states that the laws of physics should be the same for all observers moving at constant velocities relative to each other.

2. Is Lorentz invariance true in curved spacetime?

Yes, Lorentz invariance is still applicable in curved spacetime. The laws of physics in general relativity are written in a way that is independent of the coordinates used, so they are invariant under transformations that preserve the speed of light.

3. Why is Lorentz invariance important?

Lorentz invariance is important because it is a fundamental principle that underlies many theories in physics, including special relativity and general relativity. It allows us to make predictions about physical phenomena that are consistent across all frames of reference.

4. Can Lorentz invariance be violated?

While Lorentz invariance is a well-established principle, there have been some theories proposed that suggest it may be violated in certain extreme conditions, such as at very high energies or in the presence of certain types of matter. However, these theories have not been widely accepted and more research is needed to confirm any violations.

5. How is Lorentz invariance tested?

Lorentz invariance can be tested through various experiments, such as measurements of the speed of light, precision tests of special relativity, and observations of the behavior of particles at high energies. So far, all experiments have confirmed the validity of Lorentz invariance.

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