Is the Total Force in Damped Harmonic Motion Always Opposite to Velocity?

In summary, the conversation discusses the explanation of damped harmonic motion in chapter 4 of Morin's "Introduction to classical mechanics". It explains that the total force on the mass includes a drag force and a restoring force, and the resulting differential equation. The conversation also addresses a potential discrepancy with the direction of the restoring force and the concept of velocity versus position. Overall, the conversation highlights the importance of considering the relative signs of the forces and their effects on the motion of the body.
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Reading chapter 4 of Morin's "Introduction to classical mechanics" I came across to the explanation of the damped harmonic motion.

The mass m is subject to a drag force proportional to its velocity, ##F_f = -bv ##.
He says that the total force of the mass is ##F= -b \dot{x} -kx## and considering that ##F= m\ddot{x} ## we get this differential equation $$ \ddot{x} +\frac{b}{m} \dot{x} + \frac{k}{m} x=0$$

But the total force should be ##F= -b \dot{x} +kx##, shouldn't it? These two forces have opposite direction!
 

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fcoulomb said:
But the total force should be F=−b˙x+kxF=−bx˙+kxF= -b \dot{x} +kx, shouldn't it? These two forces have opposite direction!
if x is extension or compression in the spring the force experienced is always opposite to the
direction of change in x so spring force must be -k.x
 
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Also, ##x## is not the same as ##\dot x##. Depending on their relative sign, the drag and restoring force may or may not be in the same direction.
 
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Orodruin said:
Also, xxx is not the same as ˙xx˙\dot x. Depending on their relative sign, the drag and restoring force may or may not be in the same direction.
however the velocity /motion of the body will always be opposed by the drag so it should be -damping coefficient times the velocity.
take two cases...

1. .x is increasing ..extension..so -k.x and velocity is in the same direction so again the drag will be opposite

2. take compression x is reducing so so restoring force will oppose compression and velocity is in the direction of compression so drag will be outward.

Am i right...
 
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drvrm said:
1. .x is increasing ..extension..so -k.x and velocity is in the same direction so again the drag will be opposite
This depends on what you mean with "x is increasing". If you assume positive ##x##, yes. It would be more accurate to say that the forces act in the same direction whenever you move away from the equilibrium position and in opposite directions whenever you move towards the equilibrium position.
 
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1. What is damped harmonic motion?

Damped harmonic motion is a type of oscillatory motion in which the amplitude of the oscillations decreases over time due to the presence of a damping force.

2. What causes damped harmonic motion?

Damped harmonic motion is caused by the presence of a damping force, which can be due to factors such as air resistance, friction, or viscosity.

3. How does damping affect the motion?

Damping affects the motion by reducing the amplitude of the oscillations, which results in a shorter period and a decrease in the total energy of the system.

4. What is the equation for damped harmonic motion?

The equation for damped harmonic motion is x(t) = Ae-btsin(ωt + ϕ), where x is the displacement, t is time, A is the initial amplitude, b is the damping coefficient, ω is the angular frequency, and ϕ is the initial phase angle.

5. How is damped harmonic motion different from simple harmonic motion?

Damped harmonic motion is different from simple harmonic motion in that it experiences a damping force, which causes the amplitude to decrease over time. Simple harmonic motion, on the other hand, has no damping and its amplitude remains constant.

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