Jetboard and kinaesthetic control

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In summary, the conversation discusses the possibility of creating a jetboard based on an old experiment by engineer Charles Zimmerman. The experiment involved a man standing on a jet of air and controlling his movements using balance and kinaesthetic control. With advancements in technology, it is now possible to build a jetboard that is lightweight, has no engine or moving parts, and is controlled through a handle and kinaesthetic movements. The conversation also mentions successful attempts by the US Navy and Hiller to create similar flying platforms. There is also mention of lightweight, high-pressure tanks that could potentially be used to hold compressed air for the jetboard. Overall, the idea of a jetboard is feasible and could be a lot of fun to ride.
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Hi, why isn't anyone out there making a jetboard, based on an old experiment carried out by engineer Charles Zimmerman?

In 1959, the man tethered a US airforce pilot and made him stand on a jet of air for minutes on end.

Two flexible air hoses connected to two tanks of compressed air (at 20bars only) made a T connection with a short nozzle of 3 cm diameter that poked down through the center of an ultra simple plaform. The pilot stood on it and moved the board simply by instinctively balancing himself. He managed to get out of ground effect and kept a stable hover for a very long time. Later on, he succeeded in moving horizontally at nice speeds, with ease.

They tested the thing outdoors and breezes or even gusts of wind didn't affect the stability of the platform. Zimmerman proved that kinaestethic control (or "thrust vector flight") worked very well. Man's keen sense of balance was all you need to move around on a jetboard.

A quote from an old article:

It worked beyond the best anticipation of his theory. Balance control through the feet was so instinctive that it operated below the level of conscious thought. He went up and experienced it again. Paul Hill tried it. Testing further, they found that besides hovering perfectly by not thinking about it, you could control consciously, too--but here you tended to teeter your feet unnecessarily in a flurry of overcontrol.
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News of these activities at NACA got around in channels that were entitled to receive confidential government information. Visitors came to "ride the board." Most of them did well. A few at first swung like flopping fish on the safety
line. It wasn't a question of skill-which wasn't needed--but confidence.


Later on, Zimmerman made a few flying platforms (with gas engines and rotors) for the US Navy (they worked amazingly well), and Hiller picked up on the idea as well, and added his ducted fan.

Zimmerman tried to make a jetboard that could carry its own compressed air. But tanks at that time were way too heavy (made of steel) and didn't contain that much air (and only at 20bar). Today, there are lightweight, ultra-strong tanks used in transport vehicles that can hold air at pressures of up to 300 bars easily (the ones used in buses and natural gas vehicles).

So WIBNI to make such a jetboard? It shouldn't be that difficult, I think (even though I'm not an engineer).

Such a jetboard would look like a simple "flying platform" (ducted fan, with the duct containing the compressed air), and the only control you'd need would be a handle to control the airflow. Lateral movements would be controlled entirely kinaesthetically. In the middle of the duct, you have a small platform on which you stand, with under your feet a few air jets.
Advantages:
-No engine
-No moving parts
-No rotors
-Very very lightweight (compared to flying platforms with engines)
-A lot of fun

Some pics:
Hiller's ducted fan: http://www.aardvark.co.nz/pjet/images/hiller1.jpg
Colonel Henderson standing on a jet of air: http://www.howtoadvice.com/Image/Photo/ColDavidHenderson.jpg
Simple but heavy flying platform, commercially available: http://www.flying-platform.com/

What do you think? Is this doable (this is a boy's dream, I know)? Or should I just go back and watch "Back to the Future: Part 2", once more?
 
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It sounds like an interesting project! It's definitely possible to build a jetboard based on Charles Zimmerman's experiment. With the technology available today, it should be relatively easy to construct a lightweight and powerful jetboard. The advantages you outlined of having no engine, no moving parts, and being lightweight make it a very attractive project. It definitely would be a lot of fun to ride around on a jetboard like that. I think it would be worth looking into further and seeing if there are any practical considerations or challenges in building a jetboard. Good luck!
 
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Thank you for sharing this interesting information about the jetboard and kinaesthetic control. It is always exciting to hear about innovative ideas and experiments that have been carried out in the past. As for why there aren't currently any jetboards on the market based on this design, there could be a variety of reasons. It could be that the technology and materials needed to make it lightweight and efficient were not available at the time of the experiment, or maybe there was not enough interest or demand for such a product. It is also possible that other designs and technologies have been favored over the years.

However, with the advancements in technology and materials, it is definitely worth exploring the feasibility of creating a jetboard based on this concept. It sounds like a fun and unique way to experience flight and could potentially have a lot of practical applications as well. Perhaps with the current interest in drone technology and personal transportation devices, there could be a market for such a product now.

In any case, it is always inspiring to see people thinking outside the box and coming up with innovative ideas. So, I say keep dreaming and exploring the possibilities. Who knows, maybe one day we will see a jetboard based on Zimmerman's experiment in the market. Until then, let's keep enjoying "Back to the Future: Part 2" and other sci-fi movies that fuel our imagination.
 

Related to Jetboard and kinaesthetic control

What is a jetboard?

A jetboard, also known as a motorized surfboard, is a personal watercraft that combines the experience of surfing with the power and speed of a jet engine. It is controlled by a rider standing on the board and using their body movements to steer and accelerate.

How does kinaesthetic control work on a jetboard?

Kinaesthetic control on a jetboard involves using the rider's body movements to control the direction and speed of the board. This is achieved through a combination of shifting body weight, tilting the board, and using the feet to apply pressure on the board's edges.

What are the benefits of using kinaesthetic control on a jetboard?

Kinaesthetic control on a jetboard allows for a more intuitive and immersive experience, as the rider is able to physically feel and control the movements of the board. It also allows for quicker and more precise maneuvering, making it suitable for high-speed and dynamic water sports.

Is kinaesthetic control difficult to learn on a jetboard?

As with any new skill, learning kinaesthetic control on a jetboard may take some practice and patience. However, many people are able to pick it up relatively quickly, especially those with previous experience in board sports such as surfing or snowboarding.

Are there any safety precautions to consider when using kinaesthetic control on a jetboard?

As with any water sport, it is important to wear appropriate safety gear, such as a life jacket, when using a jetboard. It is also important to follow proper instructions and guidelines on how to use the board and to always be aware of one's surroundings and potential hazards in the water.

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