Lagrangian method for an LC-Circuit

In summary, the author solves the LC-circuit using the Euler-Lagrange equation and assumes a Lagrangian function of L=T-V, where T is the kinetic energy and V is the potential energy. The equation of motion is then given by the derivative of the Lagrangian with respect to time and the potential energy stored in the inductor is not considered due to the quasi-stationary approximation for compact circuits. The Lagrangian gives the correct differential equation for charge conservation and can be used to analyze the circuit using analytical mechanics.
  • #1
RickRazor
17
3
In the paper http://physics.unipune.ernet.in/~phyed/26.2/File5.pdf, the author solves the LC-circuit using Euler-Lagrange equation. She assumes that the Lagrangian function for the circuit is $$L=T-V$$ where
$$T=L\dot q^2/2$$ is the kinetic energy part $$V=q^2 / 2C$$ is the potential energy.She then goes on to say that $$
\frac{d}{dt} \left ( \frac{\partial L}{\partial \dot q} \right ) - \frac{\partial L}{\partial q} = 0
$$
is the equation of motion. I have a couple of questions:1) Is Hamilton's principle applicable here? If yes, why is the kinetic energy $$
\dfrac{{L\dot q^2}}{2}
?$$
2) Inductors also store potential energy temporarily in the magnetic field. Why don't we consider that term?
 
Physics news on Phys.org
  • #2
RickRazor said:
Inductors also store potential energy temporarily in the magnetic field. Why don't we consider that term?
Because it is not potential energy in the sense of the Lagrangian method. The dynamic variable is the charge ##q## and the energy stored in the inductor depends on its time derivative ##\dot q##. This makes the energy stored in the inductor "kinetic" energy.
 
  • #3
You can use the Hamilton principle for any differential equation (be it an ordinary or partial one), if you find a Lagrangian, whose Euler-Lagrange equation gives this differential equation.

That you don't have electromagnetic fields here explicitly is due to the quasi-stationary approximation for compact circuits made. "Compact" here means that the entire setup is small compared to the typical wavelengths of the charge-current distributions and the em. field. Then you can eliminate the field by introducing the usual characteristics of the elements (resistance for resistors, capacitance for capacitors, mutual and self-inductivities of coils).

Indeed in your case the Euler-Lagrange equations give (I write ##\tilde{L}## for the Lagrangian, because otherwise there's a clash of notation since we also use ##L## for the inductivity):
$$\frac{\mathrm{d}}{\mathrm{d} t} \frac{\partial \tilde{L}}{\partial \dot{q}}=L \ddot{q}=\frac{\partial \tilde{L}}{\partial q}=-\frac{1}{C} q$$,
describing the charge ##q## at the capacitor. Indeed
$$L \ddot{q}=-\frac{q}{C}$$
is the differential equation you also get from Faraday's Law and charge conservation (leading to Kirchhoff's Laws for circuits). So your Lagrangian just gives the right equation, and that's why you can use it to analyze it in terms of analytical mechanics. E.g., since ##\tilde{L}## is not explitly time dependent, the Hamiltonian
$$H=p \dot{q}-\tilde{L}, \quad p = \frac{\partial \tilde{L}}{\partial \dot{q}}=L \dot{q}$$
is conserved: ##H=E=\text{const}##.
 
  • Like
Likes RickRazor

What is the Lagrangian method for an LC-Circuit?

The Lagrangian method is a mathematical approach used to analyze the dynamics of a system, such as an LC-circuit. It involves using the Lagrangian function, which is a function that describes the energy of a system, to derive the equations of motion for the system.

How is the Lagrangian method used to analyze an LC-Circuit?

In an LC-circuit, the Lagrangian function is used to derive the equations of motion for the circuit, which describe how the current and voltage change over time. This allows for a more comprehensive understanding of the behavior of the circuit.

What are the advantages of using the Lagrangian method for an LC-Circuit?

One of the main advantages of using the Lagrangian method for an LC-circuit is that it takes into account the conservation of energy and momentum, which can provide a more accurate analysis of the system. It also allows for a more simplified and elegant approach compared to other methods.

Are there any limitations to using the Lagrangian method for an LC-Circuit?

One limitation of the Lagrangian method is that it may not be suitable for more complex systems with multiple degrees of freedom. It also requires a strong understanding of mathematical concepts, making it more challenging for some individuals to use.

How is the Lagrangian method applied in practical applications of LC-Circuits?

The Lagrangian method is often used in practical applications of LC-circuits, such as in the design and analysis of electronic circuits and systems. It can also be used in the development of control strategies for these systems, as well as in the study of electromagnetic phenomena.

Similar threads

Replies
19
Views
1K
  • Classical Physics
Replies
1
Views
594
Replies
5
Views
1K
Replies
6
Views
328
  • Classical Physics
Replies
1
Views
504
  • Classical Physics
Replies
21
Views
1K
Replies
1
Views
469
Replies
5
Views
737
  • Classical Physics
Replies
5
Views
1K
  • Classical Physics
Replies
21
Views
2K
Back
Top