Magnetic pendulum and electric energy....

In summary, the conversation discusses the question of whether a simple pendulum oscillating inside a coil can generate electricity and if it violates the law of conservation of energy. The conversation also mentions Lenz's law and how it affects the motion of the pendulum. It is concluded that the induced current in the coil generates heat and the energy dissipates through losses, refuting the claim that electrical energy is generated in violation of the law of conservation of energy.
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A simple pendulum oscillating inside a coil obviously does not generate electricity, or does it?
While reading about electromagnetism from the OpenStax books with my son (and doing some experiments), he asked this question.

Suppose I hang a pendulum and make it oscillate inside a coil connected to a Galvanometer as shown in the schematic diagram:

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Hopefully the image is clear enough. His argument is that the analysis of the pendulum from Newtonian mechanics suggests that the initial potential energy that I provide to it (##mgh##) is converted into its kinetic energy (##\frac{1}{2} mv^2##). Then the energy dissipates through losses as pendulum eventually comes to a standstill. Thus, the energy I provide in raising the magnet initially is finally lost in friction or to the surrounding air.

But if the magnet is made to oscillate inside a coil, according to Faraday's law, electricity is generated in the coil as the Galvanometer needle shows the deflection. The pendulum does not know that it is made to oscillate inside a coil and it ends up inducing electromotive force in it (as a mere side-effect).

Have I not generated electrical energy violating the law of conservation of energy?

How will you refute this claim?

Does Lenz's law come into the picture and slow down the magnet (since ##F = -\frac{d\phi}{dt}##) which would not have happened had the magnet pendulum not oscillated inside the coil?
 
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KedarMhaswade said:
Summary:: A simple pendulum oscillating inside a coil obviously does not generate electricity, or does it?

Does Lenz's law come into the picture and slow down the magnet (since F=−dϕdt) which would not have happened had the magnet pendulum not oscillated inside the coil?
Absolutely. The induced current in the coil generates heat because the coil has non-zero resistance. That's where the energy goes. The magnet will execute damped harmonic motion and come to a stop regardless of air resistance. You may wish to read about eddy current braking here.
 
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KedarMhaswade said:
The pendulum does not know that it is made to oscillate inside a coil
Putting something in bold doesn't make it true. There is a force exerted on the pendulum with the coil that does not exist without the coil. So in the sense that the pendulum "knows" anything it does know that it is made to oscillate inside a coil.

KedarMhaswade said:
Have I not generated electrical energy violating the law of conservation of energy?

How will you refute this claim?
By pointing out the recognized fact that it violates the conservation of energy so it must be wrong.
 
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Dale said:
Putting something in bold doesn't make it true.
True ;-). Wouldn't the button say "True" otherwise?
 
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1. What is a magnetic pendulum?

A magnetic pendulum is a device that consists of a pendulum suspended between two magnets. The magnets create a magnetic field that affects the motion of the pendulum, causing it to swing in a specific pattern.

2. How does a magnetic pendulum work?

A magnetic pendulum works by utilizing the principles of magnetism and gravity. The magnets create a magnetic field that interacts with the pendulum's metal components, causing it to swing in a specific direction. The force of gravity also plays a role in the pendulum's motion, keeping it in motion as it swings back and forth.

3. What is electric energy?

Electric energy is the energy that is generated by the movement of electrons. It is a form of energy that can be harnessed and used to power various devices and systems. Electric energy is created through the flow of electric current, which is the movement of electrons through a conductor.

4. How is electric energy related to a magnetic pendulum?

A magnetic pendulum can be used to demonstrate the conversion of energy between magnetic and electric forms. As the pendulum swings, it creates an electric current in the wire attached to it. This current is a form of electric energy that can be measured and used to power other devices.

5. What are the practical applications of a magnetic pendulum?

A magnetic pendulum has various practical applications, including demonstrating the principles of magnetism and electricity, generating electricity through induction, and serving as a source of entertainment and education. It can also be used in scientific experiments and research to study the behavior of magnetism and electric energy.

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