Mass Inflation Instability in Kerr and Reisnerr black holes.

In summary, mass inflation instability is a phenomenon that occurs near the inner horizon of black holes, as described in a scientific article from the University of Colorado. It refers to a calculation method called perturbation, which can fail to converge and result in an instability. This instability is caused by the interaction of ingoing and outgoing particles near the inner horizon, potentially causing an object or person to be vaporized before reaching the singularity. The term "mass inflation" itself is not well-understood and requires a good understanding of general relativity to grasp. The article recommends starting with basics of non-rotating, neutral charge black holes before attempting to understand this concept. Other relevant terms to understand include time and space swapping roles, radial and
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What exactly is this mass inflation instability phenomenon that is said to happen near the inner horizon of black holes?
http://jila.colorado.edu/~ajsh/insidebh/realistic.html
I got the nutshell of it, but I think I need someone to really explain this.
 
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Please explain your "nutshell" so we know what you need, and what level you need it at.
Do you know what "mass inflation" refers to, for example?
 
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Sorry 'bout that; I don't have a good level of mathematics. I got that light tends towards an infinite blue shift at the inner horizon, as said in the link. The confusing part was where it talked about ingoing and outgoing particles "trying to travel back and forth in time and exceeding the speed of light relative to one another" near the inner horizon and causing some kind of instability, vaporizing any person and or object before it got to the singularity.

To be honest I'm not too familiar with the term "mass inflation" and just got aware of it while I was reading that link. I guess my more specific questions are now:

What happens to radial and time directions r and t inside different black holes?

What is a black hole 'firewall?'

And can the singularity repel stuff out rather than suck it in?Any answer without an extreme amount of much math is fine; I'll attempt my best to understand it.
 
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I don't have a good level of mathematics.
So you won't have much GR either, then, and you are trying to find out about the space-time geometry inside a black hole?
Have you gone through the basics with non-rotating, neutral charge, black holes? (References below JIC.)

I don't think I can give you a complete explanation in one go. Instead I'll try pointing you in a useful direction.

Loosely. What the article is referring to is a method of doing a calculation called a "perturbation" where you start with the well-known solutions and then tweak the situation a little - i.e. you start modelling the Earth as a sphere, then gradually account for how the Earth diverges from perfectly spherical after working out the results for the simpler shape. The calculation usually involves a lot of steps - think of an infinite sum. This is not a problem when the terms get smaller and smaller in a nice way so the overall sum converges, and this is what normally happens like when you want to figure the gravity of the Earth. However, if you try to use this method for specific types of black hole, the perturbation calculation no longer converges everywhere. You can think of the incoming and outgoing "streams" as an artifact of the calculation method. The "instability" just means that the calculation method fails.

Bottom line is that this is one of those things where you need the maths.

Per your specific questions:
What happens to radial and time directionsr and t inside different black holes?
Time and space swap roles across the event horizons
http://www.einstein-online.info/spotlights/changing_places
http://www.jimhaldenwang.com/black_hole.htm
... because of the symmetry, it is useful to define a radial direction and a couple of angular ones for space.
What is a black hole 'firewall?'
Firewall: have you seen: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Firewall_(physics)
And can the singularity repel stuff out rather than suck it in?
I suspect you are being glib here, but the key to figuring out relativity is to be careful with how you say things.

The "singularity" is just the name given to the situation where our maths fail - it has no physical meaning. It's just a mathy way of saying "we don't know what's going on here". You can see this with just normal gravity ... the force is given by ##F=GMm/r^2##, and you can see that the force blows up at ##r=0##. It just means that the equation does not work when the small mass m is very close to the center of the big one M. Same with the singularity of a black hole.

"Repel" and "attract" are terms that make no sense in space-time ... these are concepts that require a well-defined time axis. Inside the black hole you don't have one, so the articles are playing a bit loose with the terminology. If you've followed the basic stuff above, you may have a better shot at figuring what the authors you are trying to understand are trying to talk about.
 
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1. What is the Mass Inflation Instability in Kerr and Reisnerr black holes?

The Mass Inflation Instability (MII) is a phenomenon that occurs in rotating black holes, specifically the Kerr and Reisner-Nordström black holes. It is characterized by a rapid increase in the mass and size of the black hole, leading to the formation of a Cauchy horizon and the eventual formation of a singularity.

2. How does MII occur in Kerr and Reisnerr black holes?

MII occurs due to the interaction between the black hole's rotation and its electromagnetic field. This interaction leads to the amplification of quantum fluctuations near the inner horizon of the black hole, causing the mass and size of the black hole to increase rapidly.

3. What are the implications of MII in Kerr and Reisnerr black holes?

The implications of MII are still being studied, but it is believed to have significant effects on the interior of the black hole. It may also have implications for the formation of naked singularities and the stability of the black hole's event horizon.

4. Can MII be observed or measured in real-world black holes?

Currently, there is no direct evidence of MII in observed black holes. However, some theoretical models predict that MII may occur in rapidly rotating black holes with high electromagnetic fields. Further research and observations are needed to confirm its existence.

5. How does MII differ from other instabilities in black holes?

MII is unique in that it is caused by the interaction between the black hole's rotation and its electromagnetic field. Other instabilities, such as the Bardeen-Petterson effect, are caused by the interaction between the black hole's rotation and the accretion disk. MII is also distinct in its rapid growth and potential to form naked singularities.

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