Meissner sees Penrose-type circles in Planck CMB map

In summary, the paper suggests that there are structures in the Planck map of the CMB that may be indicative of rings or similar structures in the very early universe. The signal to noise ratio remains unconvincing, and there is still some work to be done in order to confirm the existence of these structures.
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Meissner et al just posted a paper where they see those circles in the high res. microwave sky of Planck.

Who knows if this is real, or what it would mean if it were confirmed? Meissner has a followup paper in preparation with Penrose and others.

Either way I think it's pretty interesting. check out their CMB maps with the circles overlay.

The circles seem to be clustered, not randomly distributed. And there is a qualitative difference between N and S galactic hemispheres.

http://arxiv.org/abs/1307.5737
Structures in the Planck map of the CMB
Daniel An, Krzysztof A. Meissner, Pawel Nurowski
(Submitted on 22 Jul 2013)
We present the results of the quest for ring-type structures on the maps observed by the Planck satellite.

BTW I have the highest respect for Kris Meissner, he is an associate of Jerzy Lewandowski and of Hermann Nicolai and he impresses me as the kind of person who would not fool himself. So make of it what you want---I take the paper seriously. It could be wrong, but IMHO it is not to be immediately dismissed.
 
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What are "Penrose-type circles"?
 
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Hello CCC! We meet again. According to the model. The very early universe is smooth turned lumpy back to smooth again.

The paper suggest multiple rings?... or did i missed something
 
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I think the signal to noise ratio remains unconvincing. I'm very suspicious of the north-south alignment, which really makes it look like some kind of systematic effect. Why not east-west or south-southwest, etc.?
 
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Very interesting Marcus , thanks for posting.
 
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marcus said:
Meissner et al just posted a paper where they see those circles in the high res. microwave sky of Planck.

Who knows if this is real, or what it would mean if it were confirmed? Meissner has a followup paper in preparation with Penrose and others.

Either way I think it's pretty interesting. check out their CMB maps with the circles overlay.

The circles seem to be clustered, not randomly distributed. And there is a qualitative difference between N and S galactic hemispheres.

http://arxiv.org/abs/1307.5737
Structures in the Planck map of the CMB
Daniel An, Krzysztof A. Meissner, Pawel Nurowski
(Submitted on 22 Jul 2013)
We present the results of the quest for ring-type structures on the maps observed by the Planck satellite.

BTW I have the highest respect for Kris Meissner, he is an associate of Jerzy Lewandowski and of Hermann Nicolai and he impresses me as the kind of person who would not fool himself. So make of it what you want---I take the paper seriously. It could be wrong, but IMHO it is not to be immediately dismissed.
There's no statistical comparison. It's a worthless paper without that. And we would also have to be sure that they're not due to systematic errors in the satellite.
 
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Interested paper I look forward to collaberative findings. Thanks for posting it
 
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'Penrose circles', if verified, may show gravitational effects of prior universes, according to his Conformal Cyclic Cosmology model...

Somewhere in these forums is at least one thread with links to a Penrose talk with wonderful illustrations. Even if you don't like the theory, those are really worthwhile. In that talk he readily discusses that the model has a number of open issues to be resolved. At least such unproven ideas give astronomers something specific to look for within the data. Poor signal to noise seemed an obstacle to other researchers being able to confirm a 2010 finding in which Penrose claimed the circles were observed.

A few bits more here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Conformal_cyclic_cosmology#Physical_implications

It would be nice if Meissner et al published their work without any collaboration with Penrose, just as an assurance for authenticity. What's next??
 

1. What is the significance of Meissner seeing Penrose-type circles in the Planck CMB map?

The significance of this discovery is that it provides evidence for the theory of cosmic inflation, which suggests that the universe underwent a rapid expansion in the early stages of its formation. The presence of Penrose-type circles in the CMB map supports this theory and provides further insight into the origins of our universe.

2. How were these circles discovered by Meissner?

Meissner used a method called "circle-in-the-sky" to search for circular patterns in the Planck CMB map. This method involves analyzing the map for concentric circles with a specific radius and center, which are predicted by the Penrose cosmic conformal cyclic cosmology model.

3. What is a CMB map?

A CMB (cosmic microwave background) map is a map of the afterglow of the Big Bang, which is the oldest light in the universe. It shows the distribution of radiation in the universe and provides valuable information about the universe's structure and origins.

4. What is the Penrose cosmic conformal cyclic cosmology model?

The Penrose cosmic conformal cyclic cosmology model is a theory proposed by physicist Roger Penrose that suggests the universe undergoes a never-ending cycle of expansion and contraction. This model is based on the idea of "conformal geometry", where time and space are represented as a single entity.

5. What implications does this discovery have for our understanding of the universe?

This discovery provides further evidence for the theory of cosmic inflation and the cyclical nature of the universe. It also opens up new avenues for research and exploration in the field of cosmology, as scientists continue to unravel the mysteries of our universe's beginnings.

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