Newtons 2nd law for non-rigid bodies

In summary, the question pertains to the motion of the center of mass of a system of connected bodies. The discussion revolves around whether the disk in the system will touch the stationary wall. The reasoning presented suggests that the disk will not touch the wall due to the absence of external forces pushing the system to the right. The question also addresses the applicability of Newton's second law to a system of rigid bodies, with the conclusion that it does indeed apply.
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I have a question pertaining to the motion of the center of mass (CM) of several connected bodies.

Homework Statement



Here is a picture of the set-up (green surfaces are stationary):

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The mass of the spring is zero.
The mass of the disk is M1.
The mass of the bar is M2.

There is a pin reaction at the union of the bar and the disk, so the disk is free to rotate.

QUESTION: Will the disk touch the stationary wall at t>0?

Homework Equations


F=Ma

The Attempt at a Solution

I believe no, the reason being thus:

First of all, assume that the disk will remain in contact with the wall as it falls. This would force the center of mass of the bar to move to the right, as in the picture below.

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Since the CM of the disk does not horizontally and the CM of the bar moves to the right, the CM of the entire system also moves to the right. This is impossible because there is no force pushing any part of the system to the right.

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The orange arrows are the external forces acting on the body. Since there are no arrows pointing to the right (and the normal force can't be negative), there is no way for the CM of the system to move to the right.

Therefore, the assumption that the disk will remain on the wall is wrong. The disk will swing out as the reaction force of the bar resisting a change in it's inertia pushes it to the left. The reason I am asking this is because my professor and TA are adamant that the disk will roll down the surface of the wall. They say that Newton's second law is only applicable to rigid bodies.

Am I missing something here?
 
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More concisely stated, the question is this:

Does Newton's second law apply to a system of rigid bodies?
 
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aggie1293 said:
More concisely stated, the question is this:

Does Newton's second law apply to a system of rigid bodies?
Of course it does. The net force on a system of bodies, rigid or not, determines the acceleration of the center of mass of the system. (Did your professor really say that it doesn't apply?)

Your reasoning above looks good to me.
 

1. What is Newton's 2nd law for non-rigid bodies?

Newton's 2nd law for non-rigid bodies states that the acceleration of an object is directly proportional to the net force acting on it and inversely proportional to its mass. This means that the larger the force applied to an object, the greater its acceleration will be, and the more massive an object is, the slower its acceleration will be.

2. How is Newton's 2nd law applied to non-rigid bodies?

To apply Newton's 2nd law to non-rigid bodies, we must consider the distribution of mass within the object and the external forces acting on it. This can be done by breaking the object into smaller parts and calculating the net force and acceleration for each part, then summing them to find the overall acceleration of the object.

3. Can Newton's 2nd law be applied to all types of non-rigid bodies?

Yes, Newton's 2nd law can be applied to all types of non-rigid bodies as long as the external forces acting on the object are known and the mass distribution within the object can be determined. This includes objects such as liquids, gases, and deformable solids.

4. How does Newton's 2nd law for non-rigid bodies differ from the law for rigid bodies?

The main difference between Newton's 2nd law for non-rigid bodies and for rigid bodies is that for non-rigid bodies, the mass is not constant. This means that the acceleration of a non-rigid body can vary at different points within the object, while for rigid bodies, the acceleration is constant throughout.

5. What are some real-world applications of Newton's 2nd law for non-rigid bodies?

Newton's 2nd law for non-rigid bodies has many practical applications, such as in the design of structures and vehicles. It is used to determine the stability and strength of buildings, bridges, and other structures, as well as the performance of vehicles like airplanes and cars. It is also essential in understanding the behavior of fluids, such as in the design of pipelines and pumps.

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