Observing Orbital Mechanics from the 2nd Focus of Earth's Orbit

In summary, the craft would be able to make measurements of angles between Earth and the Sun. It would be at a disadvantage because it would be myopic.
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If a spacecraft could keep station at the 2nd focus of Earth's orbit, what useful observations could be made?
If a hypothetical spacecraft could keep station at the 2nd focus of Earth's orbit, what useful observations could be made?

Each minute sees a new solar triangle Earth Sun Craft (ESC). Swept area remains constant, as should length SC, and length CE + ES.
With the Sun as our point source, and instrumentation at Earth and Craft we should be able to precisely measure angles between each of our objects.

Might the sum of those angles exceed 180degrees?

Presumably the craft could be repositioned at the 2nd focus of other solar orbits. Could there be a better vantage point to observe orbital mechanics?

If you had access to a craft with this capability, what would you want to do with it?

What physics and engineering challenges are the highest barriers to making such a craft real?
For example; assuming Raptor Vacuum engines are used for station keeping, approximately how many kilograms of methane and LOX would would be consumed for that purpose in 1 Earth year.

What is the expected hull temperature facing the Sun at that point in space?

Sorry for all the questions and no answers. They just occurred to me and I thought others might like to know the answers as well.
 
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Dustin Maki said:
Summary:: If a spacecraft could keep station at the 2nd focus of Earth's orbit, what useful observations could be made?
The Earth's orbit is nearly circular. Set the controls for the heart of the Sun!
 
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PeroK said:
The Earth's orbit is nearly circular. Set the controls for the heart of the Sun!
Well that makes it rather simple then. That is the problem with lay physics, little appreciation for the scale of things.
 
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As PeroK says, the two foci of the Earth's elliptical orbit are not very far apart.

Lagrange points are more intetesting. We have at least one satellite, SOHO, at the L1 position. Satellites at L4 or L5 would give us a nice perspective on the Sun for day to day observation.
 
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@Ibix SOHO was at the back of my mind while thinking of this. So change the question such that Craft C is at L4.
 
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The soon to come James Webb Space Telescope will be located at the L2 Lagrange point.
 
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@anorlunda those would be much more acute triangles than L4, but easier location to reach I suppose.
 
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L points are ideal for lots of things. Unfortunately, maintenance and repair are difficult. Recent Space projects have demonstrated just how good our Engineering can be.

Hubble at L4 would still be as myopic as it started. But modern image processing software would probably have done a lot to improve the images.
 
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sophiecentaur said:
L points are ideal for lots of things. Unfortunately, maintenance and repair are difficult. Recent Space projects have demonstrated just how good our Engineering can be.

Hubble at L4 would still be as myopic as it started. But modern image processing software would probably have done a lot to improve the images.
That is why I labelled the James Webb Space Telescope as really bold and daring. It can never be visited by repair missions.

Their major weapon would be the ability to upload revised software. Look at how well that worked for Voyager 1&2.
 
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1. What is the 2nd focus of Earth's orbit?

The 2nd focus of Earth's orbit is a point located within the elliptical orbit of the Earth around the Sun. It is one of the two foci of the ellipse, with the other focus being the Sun itself.

2. How is observing orbital mechanics from the 2nd focus different from observing from Earth?

Observing orbital mechanics from the 2nd focus provides a different perspective and allows for a clearer understanding of the motion of objects in the solar system. This is because the 2nd focus is a fixed point in space, while Earth is constantly moving along its orbit.

3. What can be observed from the 2nd focus of Earth's orbit?

From the 2nd focus of Earth's orbit, one can observe the motion of objects in the solar system, such as the planets, moons, and comets. This includes their orbits, speeds, and interactions with each other.

4. How does observing from the 2nd focus help in understanding orbital mechanics?

Observing from the 2nd focus allows for a more simplified view of orbital mechanics, as it eliminates the effect of Earth's rotation and orbit. It also provides a better understanding of the relationship between the Sun, Earth, and other objects in the solar system.

5. Can observations from the 2nd focus be used for practical applications?

Yes, observations from the 2nd focus can be used for practical applications such as predicting the positions of objects in the solar system, studying the effects of gravity and other forces on orbital motion, and planning space missions.

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