Orbiting spaceship just above a black hole horizon

In summary, the conversation discusses the possibility of a spaceship approaching the horizon of a supermassive black hole by firing its engines in the opposite direction of its motion. The questions raised include the appearance of the ship to an observer far away, the possibility of the ship passing through the horizon and orbiting inside the black hole, and the potential for the ship to raise its orbit again and escape the black hole. However, it is noted that there are no stable orbits just above the horizon and the closest stable orbit is at r=6M. Furthermore, there are no orbits at all inside r=3M, making it impossible for the ship to pass through the horizon and orbit inside the black hole.
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The experiment I am thinking about is a spaceship that approaches the horizon of a supermassive black hole by firing its engines in the opposite direction of its motion. I have the following questions:

1. When the ship is in a stable orbit, just above the horizon, how would an observer far away from the black hole see it? Would it be stationary (almost) because of time dilation?

2. Is it possible for the ship to further decrease its orbit until it passes through the horizon? Would it continue to orbit inside the black hole?

3. If 2 is possible, why would the ship, by using the same amount of energy as in step 2, be able to raise its orbit again and get out of the black hole? The situation seems to be symmetrical.
 
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AndreiB said:
The experiment I am thinking about is a spaceship that approaches the horizon of a supermassive black hole by firing its engines in the opposite direction of its motion
This won't work. I suggest reading this Insights article of mine:

https://www.physicsforums.com/insights/centrifugal-force-reversal-near-black-hole/

AndreiB said:
1. When the ship is in a stable orbit, just above the horizon
There are no stable orbits just above the horizon. The closest stable orbit is at ##r = 6M##. The closest circular orbit at all is the photon sphere at ##r = 3M##, but orbits there are unstable.

AndreiB said:
2. Is it possible for the ship to further decrease its orbit until it passes through the horizon? Would it continue to orbit inside the black hole?
Since there aren't any orbits at all inside ##r = 3M##, there certainly aren't inside ##r = 2M##.
 
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1. What is a black hole horizon?

A black hole horizon is the point of no return for objects that are being pulled into a black hole. It is the boundary surrounding the black hole where the escape velocity is equal to the speed of light, making it impossible for anything, including light, to escape.

2. How does an orbiting spaceship behave just above a black hole horizon?

An orbiting spaceship just above a black hole horizon would experience extreme gravitational forces, causing it to accelerate towards the black hole at high speeds. The intense gravity would also cause time dilation, making time appear to slow down for the spaceship compared to an observer outside the black hole's influence.

3. Can an orbiting spaceship survive just above a black hole horizon?

It is highly unlikely that an orbiting spaceship could survive just above a black hole horizon. The intense gravitational forces would tear the spaceship apart, and the extreme radiation and tidal forces would also be lethal to any living organisms on board.

4. How does the curvature of space-time affect an orbiting spaceship just above a black hole horizon?

The intense gravity of a black hole causes a significant curvature of space-time, which would affect the orbit of a spaceship just above the black hole horizon. The closer the spaceship gets to the black hole, the more extreme the curvature becomes, causing the spaceship's orbit to become more elliptical.

5. What happens to time inside an orbiting spaceship just above a black hole horizon?

Inside an orbiting spaceship just above a black hole horizon, time would appear to slow down significantly due to the intense gravitational forces. This phenomenon, known as time dilation, is a result of the extreme curvature of space-time caused by the black hole's gravity.

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