Principal, Asymptotic, and Geodesic Curves

In summary, there can be a curve on a regular surface M that is asymptotic but not principal or geodesic, as demonstrated by examples such as the logarithmic spiral on a sphere and curves of constant curvature on a hyperboloid. These curves have a second derivative that is always tangent to the surface, but they are not principal or geodesic due to the varying curvature of the surface at different points.
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Homework Statement


Is there a curve on a regular surface M that is asymptotic but not principal or geodesic?


Homework Equations


The given definitions of asymptotic, principal, and geodesic:
A principal curve is a curve that is always in a principal direction.
An asymptotic curve is a curve [tex]\alpha[/tex] where [tex]\alpha ''[/tex] is tangent to M.
A geodesic curve is a curve [tex]\alpha[/tex] where [tex]\alpha ''[/tex] is normal to M.


The Attempt at a Solution


The closest I have come is finding a curve that is both asymptotic and geodesic, where the example comes on the saddle surface [tex]z=xy[/tex] and the curves would be the x and y axes. I just can't think of a surface where there is only an asymptotic curve. This is not a homework assignment, more of a question I have been asking to try to understand the material better.
 
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I can confirm that it is indeed possible for there to be a curve on a regular surface M that is asymptotic but not principal or geodesic. One example of such a curve is the logarithmic spiral on a sphere. This curve is asymptotic, as its second derivative is always tangent to the surface, but it is not principal or geodesic. Additionally, there are other examples of curves on surfaces that are only asymptotic and not principal or geodesic, such as the curves of constant curvature on a hyperboloid. These curves have a second derivative that is always tangent to the surface, but they are not principal or geodesic.

It is important to note that the definitions of asymptotic, principal, and geodesic curves are based on the curvature of the surface at a given point. Therefore, it is possible for a curve to be asymptotic at some points, but not at others, depending on the curvature of the surface at those points. This is why we can find curves that are asymptotic but not principal or geodesic on certain surfaces.

I hope this helps to clarify your understanding of these concepts. Keep exploring and asking questions, as that is the key to understanding complex concepts in science.
 

1. What is a principal curve?

A principal curve is a smooth curve that represents the "central path" or "mean" of a set of data points. It is often used for data visualization and dimensionality reduction.

2. What does "asymptotic" mean in the context of curves?

In mathematics, "asymptotic" refers to a relationship between two functions or curves where one approaches the other as they both approach a certain value or infinity. In the context of curves, it means that the curve will approach a certain shape or direction as the input variable increases or decreases.

3. How are geodesic curves different from other curves?

Geodesic curves are the shortest path between two points on a curved surface, such as a sphere or a curved space. This is in contrast to other curves, which may not follow the shortest path or may be limited to a two-dimensional plane.

4. What is the significance of principal, asymptotic, and geodesic curves in data analysis?

These types of curves are frequently used in data analysis to understand and visualize complex data sets. Principal curves help to identify patterns and trends in the data, asymptotic curves help to understand the behavior of a function or system, and geodesic curves help to find the most efficient path between data points.

5. How are these types of curves used in real-world applications?

Principal curves are used in various fields, including biology, economics, and engineering, to understand and analyze complex data. Asymptotic curves are used in modeling and predicting the behavior of systems, such as in physics and economics. Geodesic curves have applications in computer graphics, navigation, and map-making, as well as in fields such as astronomy and geology.

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